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Saddam <Saddam@Irag.com>
Bagdady, Irag Iraq - Sunday, February 16, 2003 at 01:47:21 (CST)

By US Senator Robert Byrd
D-West Virginia
Senate Floor Speech
Wednesday, February 12, 2003

To contemplate war is to
think about the most horrible
of human experiences.
On this February day, as this nation
stands at the brink of battle, every
American on some level must be contemplating
the horrors of war.

Yet, this Chamber is, for the most part,
silent -- ominously, dreadfully
silent. There is no debate, no discussion,
no attempt to lay out for the
nation the pros and cons of
this particular war. There is nothing.

We stand passively mute in the United States
Senate, paralyzed by our own
uncertainty, seemingly stunned by
the sheer turmoil of events. Only on
the editorial pages of our newspapers
is there much substantive discussion of
the prudence or imprudence of engaging
in this particular war.

And this is no small conflagration
we contemplate. This is no simple
attempt to defang a villain. No. This
coming battle, if it materializes,
represents a turning point in U.S.
foreign policy and possibly a turning
point in the recent history of the world.

This nation is about to embark upon
the first test of a revolutionary
doctrine applied in an extraordinary
way at an unfortunate time. The
doctrine of preemption -- the idea
that the United States or any other
nation can legitimately attack a
nation that is not imminently threatening
but may be threatening in the
future -- is a radical new twist
on the traditional idea of self
defense. It appears to be in contravention of
international law and the UN Charter.
And it is being tested at a time of
world-wide terrorism, making many countries
around the globe wonder if they
will soon be on our -- or some other
nation's -- hit list. High level
Administration figures recently
refused to take nuclear weapons off
of the table when discussing a possible
attack against Iraq. What could be more
destabilizing and unwise than this type
of uncertainty, particularly in a
world where globalism has tied the
vital economic and security interests of
many nations so closely together?
There are huge cracks emerging in our
time-honored alliances, and U.S.
intentions are suddenly subject to
damaging worldwide speculation.
Anti-Americanism based on mistrust,
misinformation, suspicion, and alarming
rhetoric from U.S. leaders is
fracturing the once solid alliance
against global terrorism which
existed after September 11.

Here at home, people are warned
of imminent terrorist attacks with
little guidance as to when or where such attacks might occur. Family members are
being called to active military duty,
with no idea of the duration of their
stay or what horrors they may face.
Communities are being left with less
than adequate police and fire protection.
Other essential services are also
short-staffed. The mood of the nation
is grim. The economy is stumbling.
Fuel prices are rising and may soon spike
higher.

This Administration, now in power
for a little over two years, must be
judged on its record. I believe that that
record is dismal.

In that scant two years, this Administration
has squandered a large
projected surplus of some $5.6 trillion
over the next decade and taken us to
projected deficits as far as the eye
can see. This Administration's domestic
policy has put many of our states in dire
financial condition, under funding
scores of essential programs for our
people. This Administration has
fostered policies which have slowed
economic growth. This Administration has
ignored urgent matters such as the crisis in
health care for our elderly.
This Administration has been slow to
provide adequate funding for homeland
security. This Administration has been reluctant
to better protect our long
and porous borders.

In foreign policy, this Administration
has failed to find Osama bin Laden
In fact, just yesterday we heard from
him again marshaling his forces and
urging them to kill. This Administration
has split traditional alliances,
possibly crippling, for all time,
International order-keeping entities
like the United Nations and NATO.
This Administration has called into
question the traditional worldwide
perception of the United States as
well-intentioned, peacekeeper. This Administration
has turned the patient
art of diplomacy into threats, labeling,
and name calling of the sort that
reflects quite poorly on the intelligence
and sensitivity of our leaders,
and which will have consequences for years
to come.

Calling heads of state pygmies,
labeling whole countries as evil,
denigrating powerful European allies
as irrelevant -- these types of crude
insensitivities can do our great nation no good.
We may have massive military might, but we cannot
fight a global war on terrorism alone.
We need the cooperation and friendship
of our time-honored allies as well as the
newer found friends whom we can attract with
our wealth. Our awesome
military machine will do us little good
if we suffer another devastating
attack on our homeland which severely
damages our economy. Our military
manpower is already stretched thin
and we will need the augmenting support
of those nations who can supply troop
strength, not just sign letters
cheering us on.

The war in Afghanistan has cost
us $37 billion so far, yet there
is evidence that terrorism may
already be starting to regain
its hold in that region. We
have not found bin Laden, and
unless we secure the peace in
Afghanistan, the dark dens of
terrorism may yet again flourish
in that remote and devastated
land.

Pakistan as well is at risk of
destabilizing forces. This
Administration has
not finished the first war against
terrorism and yet it is
eager to embark
on another conflict with perils much
greater than those in Afghanistan. Is
our attention span that short? Have we
not learned that after winning the
war one must always secure the peace?

And yet we hear little about the
aftermath of war in Iraq. In the
absence of plans, speculation abroad
is rife. Will we seize Iraq's oil fields,
becoming an occupying power which
controls the price and supply
of that nation's oil
for the foreseeable future?
To whom do we propose to hand
the reins of power after
Saddam Hussein?

Will our war inflame the Muslim
world resulting in devastating
attacks on Israel? Will Israel
retaliate with its own nuclear
arsenal? Will the Jordanian and
Saudi Arabian governments be toppled
by radicals, bolstered by
Iran which has much closer
ties to terrorism than Iraq?

Could a disruption of the world's oil
supply lead to a world-wide recession?
Has our senselessly bellicose language
and our callous disregard of the
interests and opinions of
other nations increased
the global race to join
the nuclear club and made
proliferation an even more
lucrative practice for
nations which need the income?

In only the space of two short years
this reckless and arrogant
Administration has initiated
policies which may reap
disastrous consequences
for years.

One can understand the anger and
shock of any President after the savage
attacks of September 11. One can appreciate
the frustration of having only a
shadow to chase and an amorphous,
fleeting enemy on which it is nearly
impossible to exact retribution.

But to turn one's frustration and
anger into the kind of extremely
destabilizing and dangerous
foreign policy debacle
that the world is
currently witnessing is
inexcusable from any
Administration charged with the
awesome power and responsibility
of guiding the destiny
of the greatest
superpower on the planet.
Frankly many of the pronouncements
made by this Administration
are outrageous. There is no
other word.

Yet this chamber is hauntingly
silent. On what is possibly the eve of
horrific infliction of death
and destruction on the population
of the nation
of Iraq -- a population, I might add,
of which over 50% is under age 15 --
this chamber is silent. On
what is possibly only days
before we send
thousands of our own
citizens to face unimagined
horrors of chemical and
biological warfare --
this chamber is silent.
On the eve of what could
possibly be a vicious
terrorist attack in retaliation
for our attack on
Iraq, it is business as
usual in the United States Senate.

We are truly "sleepwalking through
history." In my heart of hearts I pray
that this great nation and its
good and trusting citizens
are not in for a
rudest of awakenings.

To engage in war is always to
pick a wild card. And war must
always be a last resort, not a
first choice. I truly must
question the judgment of any
President who can say that a
massive unprovoked military
attack on a nation
which is over 50% children
is "in the highest moral
traditions of our country".
This war is not necessary at
this time. Pressure appears to be
having a good result in Iraq.
Our mistake was to put ourselves
in a corner so quickly. Our challenge
is to now find a graceful way out
of a box of our own making.
Perhaps there is still a way
if we allow more time.

more-than-meets-the-eye
- Saturday, February 15, 2003 at 21:55:54 (CST)

to the little foul mouthed home-boy marine.
go talk to your commanding officer
your delgado chip is in overdrive.
hey..why aren't you over there yet..
right..coz ya ain't realy in the
military..gosh don't ya just
love the wannabes..who ain't got the
cajones to do much except blow wind on
a msg board.

oh what a loverly set of msgs the rednecks
left for me to respond to in the
last few days..i'm kinda having
fun here..
cya

more-than-meets-the-eye
- Saturday, February 15, 2003 at 19:35:23 (CST)

mick..mick..you really mustn't call
bushwhacko satan..he's the one
screwing the muslims for money.

the islamic religion is a cousin to the jews.
abraham had two sons. ishmeal and isreal.
guess who started the jewish religion..ishmeal started
the islamic religion. out of
judasim came christianity. so
the great western religions are all
related..same founding father..
abraham..and they all believe in
THE GOD..

the koran, the talmud and the first five
books of the old testament of the holy bible
are the same thing..geez.
religious studies 101 here we
go..my invisible friend is better
than your invisible friend..and
i'll crusade for the right to have
a holy jihad on ya..

more-than-meets-the-eye
- Saturday, February 15, 2003 at 19:31:21 (CST)

oh yeah..i'm accused of name calling
yup..guilty..but, if you surf, you
will find i did not start the silly
little game..but, hey, damn i'm good at
it huh..:-))
and as for me being silent..
giggle. not me..i'm just busy
doing something else if i don't answer
right away..i gots lots n lots
of opinions..and FACTS..
come on rednecks..bring it on.
i'll fights ya with one hand tied
be hind my back..yah..yah..
oh..and pay no attention to that
man behind the curtain in the white
house..he's just the wizard of awe's.
he controls the media..so the
american public will always be
in awe of him and his regime.

hmm..didn't hitler do sumptin like dat?
oh well guess we're not in kansas anymore
toto..

more-than-meets-the-eye
- Saturday, February 15, 2003 at 19:18:33 (CST)

hey folks..here's a flow chart of
who's in charge of america's broadcast
media via the FCC.
click my name for a direct link.
look at the bush mob who is behind the
scenes.
it has cute little bio's on each of
the CEO's..
http://www.fcc.gov/fccorgchart.html

more-than-meets-the-eye
- Saturday, February 15, 2003 at 18:44:24 (CST)

american state terrorism..aka ast.
thanks for posting "laddy's" recent
speech. saves me having to surf for it
it was on my things to do list.

although, i do wonder if it laddy..or
an impersonator. i also question
if it is from al queada..or produced
to help rile..er..rally support
for bushwhacko.

also..someone said..hey enemies
have known to align to fight a common
enemy..yeah..remember when the usa
supported sodamn insane so he could
beat up on iran. or what about when usa
supported laddy so he could go
after russia.

ya..got wonder about the hypocracy here
don't ya.

interesting point brought up last night
on donahue..did yall know
that bush, bless his heart has not
mentioned bin laden's name in the last year?
yup..his aides, his hawks..others around him.
but not bushwhacko himself.
hmm..doesn't bushwhacko have
economic/business dealing with the
bin ladens..makes ya wonder
if laddy's family said quit
dragging our son's name through
the dirt, or we'll start an
advertising campaign to expose
your part in allowing the wtc to
go down.
nah..there wouldn't be any kind
of backroom dealings going on.
the american ppl wouldn't be duped
by an american president.

every american president has
always been straight forward and
honest..from geo washington who couldn't tell
a lie to honest abe..tricky dicky..johnson.
the ppl haven't been tricked into
rally to support a war in any
way shape or form..

well, guess what ppl. there
is a liar and thief in the white
house, a facist dictator.
america's international reputation
is being destroyed.

IMPEACH BUSH

more-than-meets-the-eye
- Saturday, February 15, 2003 at 18:30:11 (CST)

ah the little rednecks are out
spouting in full force.
stevo..a peaceful diplomatic
solution to disarming iraq
was proposed by the french/german/belgium
coalition..send in UN troops to back the inspectors.
if i recall iraq is about the size of calif.
if america, had real balls, it would go in as
cops with search warrants..under the guise
of UN troops..then, maybe the
world would believe that the
reason for america's interest
was truely honorable.

right now..it is apparent to everyone, but
the most idiot, gulliable, niave or warmongering
the purpose is to control the taps of oil
production.

stevo, i also felt you very
misleading with your comment
about the info i posted from
bill blum's book. yeah..i did
only put part of the info on this page
but, i also gave a link to the book.
geez..ya want me to read it out loud
to ya..groan..talk about having
to spoon feed ppl.

hey..anyone know who michael k. powell is?
the dude who is in charge of the FCC..federal
communications commission..um..er ..ah well
mikey is colin powell's son
talk about affirmative action huh.
who says blacks aren't making it in
america..all they have to do is
have a daddy who was a nixon lacky..who
becomes a bush backie.
yeah..the american media is free
to express unbaised news..well
at least they are free to express
bushwhacko's version of unbiased news..
as much of it as they want.
mikey would never pull their licences.
ner..

watching desmond tutu last night on
donahue was a blast. what a kewl
old man..when a pro-invader was
going at reasons to invade iraq..
tutu said..hey..do you remember
when south africa was asking that
you free us from an oppressive regime.

we weren't asking you to come
in and bomb us. do you really think
the iraqi ppl want to be bombed.

wonderful peace protests going on around the
world..wake up rednecks. the
world doesn't want war. dubya and his chicken
hawks do..

david you are right about the american
education system..it had been dumbed down.
americans are taught to be
nationalistic from the first
day of school. they know little of
what happens outside of their
borders, unless they live near
enough the border to pick up
broadcasts. or if they own a satellite
dish. poor americans don't own satellite
dishes..so they are really brainwashed
into believing the propaganda.
thank god, my parents ensured i
had a an international education.
or, i'd probably be as dumbed down
as the goose stepping jack booted
neo nazi's rednecks who a demonstrating
their ignorance for the whole
world to see.

hey..ain't it interesting that in london
peace protesters weren't harrassed by the police
but here in america..in new york
there are reports of arrests of the
prostesters..yeah..america
the land of the free..not.
we have homeland security and
the patriot act..

more-than-meets-the-eye
- Saturday, February 15, 2003 at 18:12:40 (CST)

Well Big Big City/'FreeDUMB'/Carlock/ etc---you've been proven wrong again.

Months ago, I told you, if the U.S. goes to war
Gas prices will go to $2.00 a gallon!
Guess what. I was not only right, but it is there NOW. And predicted to go past $3.00 or $4.00 when YOUR bombs,
( not ours) start killing people.

'Bloody'Bush has certainly brought people together hasn't he!
With him and the old cronies of the Nixon era brought back to life.

People are against Bush and his regime ALL OVER THE WORLD.
The Russian people are uniting, like they have never done, in decades.

The entire world, is hating Bush!

Oh, I'm sorry--There are people ( Like you) that want war???

Could you please tell me where JUST ONE Rally was held, supporting WAR?

I'd like to hear where the Pro-Rally was held!

Tell me---------If you can.

If you think the WORLD protests are bad now,
if you remember history, when war starts, and Bush cranks the draft up, and the police and soldiers crash in your doors, conscripting people,
THERE WILL BE RIOTS, many times worse than the New York Draft Riots in 1863.

FreeDUMB/Carlock/Big Big City--now's the time to wise up; and not be the thug, child killer, and murdering AmeriKan RepubliKan that
'Bloody'Bush wants you to be.

"To announce that there must be no criticism of the President,
or that we are to stand by the President,
right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and
servile,
but is morally treasonable
to the American public."
-Theodore Roosevelt, 1918

It is the duty of the patriot to protect his country from its government.
-- Thomas Paine
Ronnie
- Saturday, February 15, 2003 at 18:10:06 (CST)

A message to our Muslim brothers in Iraq....We are following with great interest and concern the preparation of the crusaders to launch war to occupy a former capital of Islam, to pillage the wealth of Muslims and install a puppet government that follows the dictates of its masters in Washington and Tel Aviv.

We want to affirm a number of important factors amid this unjust war -- the war of infidels led by America with its allies and agents. Fight the allies of the devil.

Firstly, we stress the loyal intentions that the fighting should be in the name of God only, not in the name of national ideologies nor to seek victory for the ignorant governments that rule all Arab states, including Iraq.

Secondly, we remind that victory is from God alone. We only have to exert all efforts through preparation and Jihad.

Thirdly, it became known to us from our fighting against the American enemy that he principally depends in his fighting on psychological warfare because of his massive propaganda capabilities, and on intense air bombardment to hide his prominent weaknesses, and those are fear, cowardice and the absence of a fighting spirit among American soldiers.

These soldiers are totally convinced of the injustice and deceit of their governments as they don't have a just cause to fight for. They are fighting for weapons and oil traders... including the gang of criminals at the White House. I add to that the personal and crusader spite of Bush the father.

It also became known to us that the best and most effective available methods to deplete the airpower of the enemy crusade is by digging armed and camouflaged trenches in large numbers.

(He proudly recounted his days in Afghanistan when American airpower was constantly bombing al Qaeda bases. According to the taped voice, al Qaeda only sustained minor losses while the United States spent a great deal of its airpower, firing day and night.)

Despite all that, the United States did not dare to storm our bases. There is no greater evidence of their cowardice, fear and deceit than this.

The result of this battle was the great and massive defeat for the evil global coalition in all its force against a small group of mujahideen in their trenches.

Our Iraqi mujahideen brothers in Iraq, don't be scared of what America is propagating, such as the lies about its forces and its smart bombs and laser-guided bombs. The smart bombs have no sizable effect in the mountains, trenches and forests.

You should increase the number of trenches....

We advise the importance of dragging the enemies' forces to a long, exhausting and continuous battle.

The worst fear of the enemy is street and city fighting, this is the war in which the enemy expects great losses.

We stress the importance of martyrdom attacks against the enemy. These attacks inflicted on American and Israel a disaster they have never experienced before.

We say to honest Muslims that they must move, incite and mobilize the nation amid these great events to liberate themselves from the enslavement of these oppressive, unjust, apostate ruling governments, which in turn are enslaved by America, and to establish the rule of God on earth, and the most eligible for liberation are Jordan, Morocco, Nigeria, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia and Yemen.

This crusade war is primarily aimed at the people of Islam regardless of the removal or survival of the socialist government or Saddam.

The Muslims as a whole, and in Iraq in particular, should pull up their sleeves and carry Jihad against this oppressive offensive and to make sure to stock up on ammunition and arms. This is a duty for them.

It does not hurt that in the current circumstances, the interests of Muslims coincide with the interests of the socialists in the war against crusaders, taking into account our belief and declaration of the apostasy of the socialists.

The socialists and these rulers have lost their credibility of their rule a long time ago and the socialists are infidels wherever they are -- whether in Baghdad or Aden (Yemen).

P.S. Keep an eye on my eldest son Sad bin Laden! He's gonna be great!!!;)

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http://www.americanstateterrorism.com, http://www.americanstateterrorism.com http://www.americanstateterrorism.com - Saturday, February 15, 2003 at 18:08:31 (CST)

It's simple. Prove to the USA and the World that Irag has deposed it's weapons of mass destruction that has been documented and we will have no War. You are living under a hated dictor not only hated in your country but throughout the world. The Iragi people should put an end to this not just the Americans. Also, look at what America truly stands for, and it's not for War but for peace for all and we have proven over the years that we are prepared to fight for all people of the world not just for America. God Bless America
Joseph Todisco <jtod@attbi.com>
- Saturday, February 15, 2003 at 17:25:42 (CST)

Islam is one of the whores of Satan.
Mick
- Saturday, February 15, 2003 at 15:15:42 (CST)

all of you american anti war people...you must find something else to do,,you people MUST be board,,leave it alone and let bush kill that fuckin saddam!!!
zeke
maine - Saturday, February 15, 2003 at 09:14:56 (CST)

I support George W bush because he hate Saddam
DiDi
- Saturday, February 15, 2003 at 05:34:16 (CST)

After 13 years of sanctions on Iraq, now the whole world says NO to war. Where were the world for these 13 years?
who thinks that Iraqi people had peace during the last 13 years is wrong. Many Iraqi people died from hunger and cancer after the gulf war, many fled from Iraq, many became very poor, many became thieves, many women became whore to live, many are hungry, many lost their mind, many lost their beloved ones, many lost their homes and job, many children lost their parents, many lost their families, and the worst thing is that many lost their humanity. Iraqi currency became rubbish.
Now, can anyone solve all these problem neither by war nor by sanctions instead of going outside in the streets and protest for the peace in Iraq ?! I DOUBT

Dalila
- Saturday, February 15, 2003 at 05:30:06 (CST)

CIA 'Sabotaged Inspections and Hid Weapons Details'
By Andrew Buncombe in Washington
Independent UK

Friday 14 February 2003

Senior democrats have accused the CIA of sabotaging weapons inspections in Iraq by refusing to co-operate fully with the UN and withholding crucial information about Saddam Hussein's arsenal.

Led by Senator Carl Levin, the Democrats accused the CIA of making an assessment that the inspections were unlikely to be a success and then ensuring they would not be. They have accused the CIA director of lying about what information on the suspected location of weapons of mass destruction had been passed on.

The row is of heightened significance given the Bush administration's preparations to argue later today before the UN Security Council that the inspections have run their course and it is now time to move to military action.

France, Russia, Germany and other members of the Security Council are likely to back a counter-proposal to increase the number of inspectors, providing them, if necessary, with the support of armed UN soldiers, as a means of avoiding a military strike.

The accusation of US sabotage emerged from a series of Senate hearings on Capitol Hill. On Tuesday, George Tenet, the CIA director, told the armed services committee panel that the agency had provided the UN inspectors with all the information it had on "high" and "moderate" interest locations inside Iraq -- those sites where there was a possibility of finding banned weapons. But Mr Tenet later told a different panel that he had been mistaken and that there were in fact "a handful" of locations the UN inspectors may not have known about.

Senator Levin, from Michigan, responded by saying the CIA director had not been telling the truth. Citing a number of classified letters he had obtained from the agency, he said it was clear the CIA had not shared information with the inspectors about a "large number of sites of significant value".

He said the CIA had told him additional information would be passed to the inspectors within the next few days.

Mr Levin pushed Mr Tenet on whether he thought the inspections had any value. The CIA director replied: "Unless [President Saddam] provides the data to build on, provides the access, provides the unfettered access that he's supposed to, provides us with surveillance capability, there is little chance you're going to find weapons of mass destruction under the rubric he's created inside the country ... The inspectors have been put in a very difficult position by his behaviour.

Mr Levin said later he believed the CIA had, in effect, taken the decision to undermine the inspections. "When they've taken the position that inspections are useless, they are bound to fail," he told The Washington Post. "We have undermined the inspectors."

Mr Levin has raised his concerns with the White House. In a letter to President Bush, the senator asked that America provide the inspectors with as much information as available.

He wrote: "The American people want the inspections to proceed, want the United States to share the information we have with the UN inspectors and want us to obtain United Nations support before military action is used against Iraq."

(In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. Section 107, this material is distributed without profit to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving the included information for research and educational purposes.)

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t r u t h o u t | 02.15

CIA 'Sabotaged Inspections and Hid Weapons Details'
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Blix: Promising Progress, Important Questions Remain
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ABC | Terror Alert Fabricated
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NY Times | Poll Shows Most Want War Delay
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10 Million Join World Protest Rallies
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Germany Highlights the Risk of a Catastrophic Scenario in Iraq
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Blair Under Siege From Every Side
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t r u t h o u t | 02.14

Robert Byrd | We Stand Passively Mute
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Russia Threatens to Veto US War Plan
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Government Contractors Begin Developing Data Tracking Network
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Bernard Weiner | Artistic Sign Language: Symbols of the Coming Bush
Fall
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Greenspan Throws Cold Water on Bush Arguments for Tax Cut
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UK: 1 Million Could Join Grassroots Protest
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Filibuster on Judgeship Halts Business in the Senate
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t r u t h o u t | 02.13

William Rivers Pitt | Osama Rallies Muslims, Condemns Hussein
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Verbatim: The Franco-German Russian Declaration
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Rice, Lobbies Blix for Negative Report
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Jennifer Van Bergen | The March
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NY Comptroller Calls for Review of U.S. Firms' Ties to Terrorism
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t r u t h o u t | 02.12

European Allies Unite Against US-Led War
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BBC | Greece Plans Iraq Emergency EU Summit
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Iraq Agrees to UN Conditions OKs Surveillance Aircraft
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Conyers, Scott, Jackson Lee: A Letter Rejecting Patriot Act 2
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War for World Dominance
Karen Talbot
February 1, 2003

George Bush's recent State of the Union speech should alarm the
people of
our country and the entire planet about the perils facing us all-
and they
are not the ones he spoke of with arrogance, lies, and threats.
The true
significance of his words is yet to be fully comprehended by many
of us.

The real reasons for a war against Iraq.

Bush, and the ruling Wall Street elite he represents, are
desperately
seeking to cope with a growing economic crisis attributable to
fundamental
contradictions in the very system over which they reign. As in the
past, war
is seen as the answer.

Today, they want to go to war to grab the vast untapped oil riches
of Iraq
and the Persian Gulf.

More importantly, they want to literally rule the world because
they think
it will rescue them from the deepening economic morass and bring a
cornucopia of super profits.

They are also massively shifting the burden of the crisis to the
workers,
poor,and middle strata in the United States and in every corner of
the
world. In the process they intend to siphon off even more wealth
to the
minuscule topone percent of society. Such were the undercurrents
beneath
Bush's State of the Union rhetoric.

There is no question, Bush and the oil interests he and his cohorts
represent, aim to seize the "black gold" reserves of Iraq, second
only to
those of Saudi Arabia-easily extractible, easily refined, high
quality, and
therefore highly profitable petroleum, the possession of which
would allow
U.S. oil companies also to undermine OPEC and thus control prices.
They are
driven by the fact that Iraq is strategically located near other
oil-rich
nations of the Middle East, critical waterways, and key pipeline
routes from
Central Asia. They are also driven by the reality that the world's
hydro-carbon reserves are being depleted rapidly, yet the oil
wells of Iraq
will continue to produce after most others run dry.

To take over these oil reserves, they need to occupy Iraq and
stave off
companies from rival powers like France, Russia, and China, all of
which
have been granted concessions by the Iraqi regime to develop a
considerable
portion of those riches.

Equally important: they need to control the people of Iraq. After
all, from
the time oil was discovered in their country, the mass of Iraqi
people waged
bitter struggles for nationalization of their natural resources
against
brutal imperialist domination by Britain and the United States who
were
acting on behalf of the giant oil corporations. This was also the
experience
of the Iranian people when the CIA deposed their democratically-
elected
leader, Mohammad Mossadegh, in 1953, because he nationalized
Iran's oil. The
same dynamics are being echoed today in Venezuela.

Moreover, a war against Iraq will generate even greater profits
for the
armaments industry. What better way to stuff their coffers than to
build
weapons and then blow them up- perfect "built-in obsolescence."
There are
built-in consumers, as well-the taxpaying public which has dished
out
trillions of dollars to the Pentagon in recent years while basic
social
programs have been undermined or eliminated. And now, more than
ever, there
is the lucrative sale of U.S. weaponry to the new NATO members
from Eastern
Europe who are being prevailed upon to update their military and
vastly
increase their armaments budgets to the tremendous detriment of
their own
social programs.

World dominance

These are key reasons for the current war frenzy. But there is
something
qualitatively more dangerous underway. There is an overriding long-
planned
agenda being orchestrated and directed by the Bush regime for
total world
dominance-economically and militarily. Such dominance is sought in
order to
wield full control over the governments and peoples of the poorer
nations,
but also over the European Union, Japan, and the other imperial
rivals.
Bloody wars have been waged in the past among such competitors
seeking
control over global markets and resources. It would be a mistake
to assume
we are beyond such confrontations today.

Attacking Iraq is the lynchpin in the scheme for world dominance.
Bush,
Colin Powell, and others in the administration have said the
assault will
begin within the next few weeks, no matter what the UN does. In
fact, it
probably will work to Washington's advantage to act without the UN
as this
will eliminate the necessity of making deals with France and
Russia for
sharing the spoils in order to win their votes in the Security
Council.
Nevertheless, it is possible that on the eve of an actual attack,
these
nations will capitulate, perhaps even voting at the last minute
for a new
enabling resolution in a desperate attempt to latch onto at least
some of
the booty.

Leading up to this critical turning point, we have seen the
alarming growth
in clout of the military-industrial complex, about which President
Eisenhower sounded a dire warning. We have seen the advent of new
military
doctrines projecting "full spectrum dominance," "pre-emptive"
nuclear
strike, and the "war against terrorism." We have heard the U.S.
Space
Command speak openly about "dominating space to dominate Earth" in
order to
protect U.S. investments. We have witnessed the moves to weaponize
and
nuclearize space and to build estabilizing anti-ballistic
missiles, while
scrapping the ABM Treaty . We have seen the rapid eastward
expansion of NATO
with the U.S. at the helm. We have seen a significant increase in
the huge
number of globe-encircling U.S. military bases. These new
installations are
strategically located near oil fields and pipeline routes,
particularly in
Central Asia, Georgia, Afghanistan, and the former Yugoslavia.

We have seen the use in Iraq, Yugoslavia, and Afghanistan, of ever-
more
powerful and illegal weapons, including fuel-air explosives,
cluster bombs,
radioactive depleted uranium- tipped armaments and "bunker
busting" bombs,
all of which have killed thousands of civilians. Are these not
weapons of
mass
destruction?

"Shock and Awe"

All of that will pale by comparison with what's ahead. When Bush
gives the
word, "the full force and might of the U.S. military" will be
unleashed in
an unprovoked assault against a nation of 22 million people who
already have
suffered immeasurably from brutal war and economic sanctions-a
country which
ironically is the "cradle of civilization."

Even as Bush spoke before the joint session of Congress, the
Pentagon leaked
reports that the U.S. will hit Iraq with up to 800 cruise missiles
in two
days-more than twice the number of missiles launched during the
entire 40
days of the 1991 Gulf War. The intent is to shatter
Iraq "physically,
emotionally and psychologically." The objective is to "shock and
awe."

The "Shock and Awe" scheme was concocted by military strategist
Harlan
Ullman who said "you have this simultaneous effect-rather like the
nuclear
weapons at Hiroshima-not taking days or weeks but minutes."* A
Pentagon
official told CBS News following a briefing on the plan: "The
sheer size of
this has never been seen before, never been contemplated before."

A senior Bush official confirmed that "Shock and Awe" is the
concept on
which the war plan is based," according to CBS News.

"Shock and Awe" is aimed at demonstrating what Armageddon would
look like.
It is aimed at trying to terrify the people and nations of the
world-any who
might dare challenge U.S. dominance or stand in the way of
conquest and
plunder. Bush and his entourage have repeatedly stressed that Iraq
will be
just the beginning of an unprecedented ongoing war. Add to this
his threat
to use nuclear weapons in a pre-emptive first strike. Any country
he labels
part of the "axis of evil" is fair game. Zbigniew Bzrezinski in
his book,
"The Grand Chessboard" dubs this as a "new kind of hegemony,"
a "benevolent"
imperialism.

Bush exhibits absolutely no glimmer of human concern for the tens
of
thousands of Iraqi civilians who will die horrible deaths. Almost
half of
the Iraqi people are under age 14, so a high percentage of
civilian deaths
will be children. This is on top of the more than 500,000 children
who have
died from the sanctions according to UNICEF. And what of the
additional
hundreds of thousands who will suffer injuries, illness, hunger,
and total
disruption of their lives.

There's barely a murmur of concern for the likely casualties among
U.S.
troops, or the probability that many of them, as with veterans of
the 1991
Gulf War, will be stricken by "Gulf War Syndrome" caused by
radioactive
depleted uranium and other toxins.

What of the United Nations?

Bush, Colin Powell, and other administration insiders have made it
clear the
U.S. will carry out the assault on Iraq with or without the
authority of the
United Nations. Joining Bush's war will be junior partner Britain,
dragged
into the fray by Prime Minister Tony Blair, who is totally
disregarding the
overwhelming opposition of the British public. After-all, Britain
is keen to
restore at least some of its previous imperialist status in the
region.

They will carry out this war in defiance of the UN Charter and
international
law, and with disdain for the pleas for peace of tens of millions
of people
the world over. This includes the protest of what has certainly
become a
wide-ranging majority of people in the U.S. They will proceed with
the
assault without "smoking gun" evidence, merely resorting to
presenting more
circumstantial "proof" before the Security Council as the hour of
the attack
nears. But then, Washington really feels it doesn't need to
convince the UN
because they have decided to wage war no matter what happens.

There is a growing worldwide demand that there should be no
legitimization
of this war through capitulation of UN Security Council members to
bribes
and threats. Such a development would not only violate every tenet
of
international law but it would undermine the United Nations itself.

Despite the Bush administration's obvious disdain for the rest of
the world,
the economic turmoil spreading in the U.S. ironically has been
partially
staved off by a massive inflow of capital from Europe, Asia,
Middle East
oiligarchies and elsewhere, which has furthered the extravagant
accumulation
of wealth by the super-rich. Borrowing from abroad has amounted to
$2
billion a day. But the abrupt decline of the dollar in recent weeks
threatens to undermine confidence, which could interrupt that
massive influx
of capital and lead to a dramatic further decline in the economy.

Meanwhile, joblessness grows, the stock market keeps diving, the
Federal
government is piling up a huge deficit, budget deficits of state
and local
governments are unprecedented in scope, and there are record
corporate
losses including the recent nearly 100 billion record loss by AOL.

Not only are Bush and his Wall Street backers motivated by the
notion that
war and world imperial hegemony will solve such daunting systemic
economic
troubles. They also want to divert the attention of the people
from the
social and economic daily problems they face at home.

In today's world, bristling with arsenals of nuclear weapons,
resort to war
must end once and for all. Fundamental societal changes are
required in
order create the conditions for redirecting the trillions of
dollars flushed
down the drain of military spending to feed the hungry, create
jobs, provide
quality housing, healthcare and education, in the U.S. and
worldwide. This
is also the way to end terrorism. Only massive democratic actions
by the
people can stop the drive to war and ultimately accomplish these
other
essential changes. Therefore, it is more vital than ever in
history to turn
out in our tens millions for the upcoming worldwide anti-war
demonstrations
on February 15 and 16. These challenges can and must be met for
the sake of
humankind's very survival.

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The American---if you were a real Marine, you'd be court-martialed for the crap
you wrote. I'd say, your just "FREEDOM"/CARLOCK/BIB BIG AMERICA using another name
Ronnie
- Friday, February 14, 2003 at 23:26:09 (CST)

I am a soldier in the US Marines and I cannot wait to kill you sand niggers. You stupid pussy Europeans are just jealous because you know we could bomb you into oblivion and all you could do is drink tea and talk about how "bloody uncivilized" we are. France, Russia, Germany...we have saved all your asses at one point or another. I think you just have an inferiority complex. Don't be upset because we are the only world power...and you are our bitches. LOL. What in the world are your Euro-faggots gonna do? Quote some random passage from Voltaire or something? Sound scholarly? Hows this for scholarly...we could wipe you off the face of the globe if we wanted to...we could enslave all your men and sell your women into prostitution if it pleased us....why? Becuase we are the United States of fucking America...that why. We don't have to be "just," ....because we are the big boys on the block...and you Euro's are the local slut who gets gang fucked. So go on...be jealous...shout diplomacy...in the end you won't do anything...and I will be having a ball putting bullets into those greasy sand niggers in Baghdad. Cya.
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USA, USA USA - Friday, February 14, 2003 at 21:28:30 (CST)

Yeah Yeah The only thing the US wants is democracy LOL
Paid for by you hey the Us have helped develop fundamentalism. If you for example didn't replace Mossadeq in Iran the revolt against the Shah probably wouldn't have been Islamic.
The list is endless, the reason that the people of the Middle East hate you is not because of your society but because you allways interverne in other countries affairs so you can profit from it.
And well I have been to the US and I have visited a lot of countries but I haven't seen many other places were the gap between rich and poor are so great!
David
Europe - Friday, February 14, 2003 at 21:26:14 (CST)

David, why don't you make a trip to America, meet some Americans, and then make a
judgement. Lest you want to generalize Americans based on a handful of us on this site.
A little naive on your part, huh? So, maybe since More than cannot, you can offer up
an alternative to U.S. policy in Iraq that actually has some substance. Or are you just another one quick to denounce the bold steps America is taking, but don't actually know what you would do
instead? Easy for you to take your pot shots and then hide under that nice warm security blanket provided by
and paid for by all of us naive Americans...
American Joe
USA - Friday, February 14, 2003 at 19:00:26 (CST)

One if my friends told me that I should check out this site if I wanted to see how stupid and naive Americans are!!!!
Well he was right, you will belive everything our president tells you. Don't you have any public schools or are your education system just fucked up?
David
Europe - Friday, February 14, 2003 at 18:39:29 (CST)

OH NO! THERES SOMEYHING PEEKING IN MY WINDOW. WHAT IS IT. AHHHH HELP, ITS A BILDEBERGER! ahhhhhhhhhhh ahahhhhahahahahahwoooeeeeee. Hey! Is my demented grub eating friend from down under out there? Australia announced they were siding with the US in this mess. How does my Wiradji feel about this slap in his face!!! AHAHAHAHAHAHHOHOHO Guess they got pissed about blowing Aussie brains against the ceilings with lots of feeling ey mate? Well, got to go plan my vacation. Got a pile of Wagga Wagga brochures to check out. Later flap flap flap................
CROW
Yankville USA - Friday, February 14, 2003 at 17:15:13 (CST)

More Than says there is no proof of a link between Saddam Hussein and Al Qaida. Does she have any proof that the is no link? History has proven time and again that forces that hate each other will form alliances against a common enemy, and deal with each other at a later time.Anyone who cant clearly see that scenario is living in a fantasy world. "Asymetrical attack" Very well put Joe.
SILENCE DOGOOD
USA - Friday, February 14, 2003 at 16:59:58 (CST)

Its plain to see how selective more than is when claiming to have the "facts" on any issue discussed on here. From what I've seen on her many completely slanted url postings is a one way biased opinion carrying less fact than the people she slanders. Far less fact. She seems to believe everything she reads as fact as long as it suits her agenda. No proof of WOMD in Iraq. Does she have any proof that there arent? NO. The war is about taking over Middle east oil reserves. Does she have any REAL proof? NO. I have seen numerous posters raise legitimate questions on this board which are completely ignored by her and others of her ilk. Why? Because an honest response doesn"t fit her agenda. She's very quick to deride those who are less eloquent in stating their case, but who have a right to their opinion just the same.All I see from her is namecalling, lack of regard for the opinions of others, lack of any ideas or solutions to the problems, and lack of any facts to back up her endless conspiracy rhetoric. Kudos to American Joe, American Freedom and others for bringing some fair and meaningful dialoge to the discussion. When confronted by level headed logic, her silence is telling.
SILENCE DOGOOD
USA - Friday, February 14, 2003 at 16:42:09 (CST)

Just wanted to say that I am 100% against this war and any war.
John <mbtrans@mac.com>
San Diego, CA usa - Friday, February 14, 2003 at 08:46:12 (CST)

So if it isn't Osama talking from cave # 652, making
threats of terrorism. I guess the little fagget forgot that
America slaped his little ass back to the cave "it" crwaled
out of, and put to an end 20 years of his work to spread
his brand of the Koran. You know the version that says it
is good to murder people. Then the coward boasts about
murdering innocent people, and predicts his own death as
a marter. The stupid shit for brains does not even realize
what he and his frends are in for. He does not realize what
we are going to do to him and his murdering supporters.

I will make it simple:

OSAMA IS NO FREND OF ISLAM!

OSAMA IS NOT AN ISLAMIC LEADER WHO CAN ISSUE FATWAS!

COME ON PEOPLE OF PACKASTAN AND AFGANASTAN!

25 MILLION DOLLERS GOES A LONG WAY DEAD OR ALIVE!

IF YOU WANT US OUT OF YOUR BACK YARD - HAND OVER OSAMA!

IF YOU DO NOT YOU WILL WISH YOU NEVER HEARD OF THE UNITED STATES. WE WILL MAKE YOU SUFFER FOR 30 YEARS!

WE ARE COMMING IN!

YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED!

By the way If you do kill him make shure he is in good shape for identification
purposes.

Thanks

Frank

Frank
UT, KT WE ARE GOING TO KILL YOU! SOON - Friday, February 14, 2003 at 07:51:07 (CST)

Likewise, Freedom. Especially enjoyed your information
about Russia being Iraq's primary weapons supplier.
This discussion is getting to the "beating a dead horse" stage and my work is suffering!
More than, we dissagree, but I respect your commitment to your cause--flawed as it may be in my opinion.
American Joe/Stevo
USA - Friday, February 14, 2003 at 04:59:45 (CST)

Oh, I forgot. I don't own any oil stock. I don't know
anyone who I know owns stock in oil companies.

How will I benefit personally? Through a reduced risk of being a victim
of asymetrical attack from Iraq. That's the only real benefit to me personally.
American Joe
USA - Friday, February 14, 2003 at 01:39:01 (CST)

Joe - your posts are intelligent and interesting. keep it up. We both know that it is much easier to
criticize and point your finger than it is to find a solution. That is why people like more-than exist.
American freedom
- Friday, February 14, 2003 at 01:36:45 (CST)

more-than, cut the crap. I don't know any 9/11 victims personally. I never declared I wanted revenge. This must
be how you help justify things in your head, by putting words in people's mouths to make them seem more
evil to you.

All I said was that you're an idiot for saying families of 9/11 victims need to realize that they weren't attacked
and that it was just corporate america that was attacked.

I'm sure America has supported regimes that became corrupt. My question to you is: who hasn't? And how do
you know that the leadership that was replaced wasn't worse? You don't. You completely ignore all that.
You don't give it time to even cross your mind.

In short, you'll search into the depths of the internet to find out what is wrong with the new government in
Afghanistan, and never once mention the Taliban that it replaced.

It's just more of the same from you. You spend your whole life pointing your finger with great enthusiasm
at isolated events and never taking a step back to see the whole picture.

more-than, people are corrupt. You show me a country that is free of corruption. The thing is,
all of the corruption that happens to be in America is put right up in the front window because of our freedom
of speech & press. Nowhere on this planet is it easier for your crimes to be exposed than in America. Governments
in other countries can hide things to much greater affect because people acting like you disappear quickly and the
people catch on.

You said living in America is no different than living in North Korea?? You really have no idea how good you
have it. That is truly a shame and I know that most people around the world (not just in America) would smack
you for being so spoiled rotten. You go on and on about "American ignorance". Look in the mirror.
American freedom
- Friday, February 14, 2003 at 01:28:20 (CST)

More than, no, I don't think all is right with the world, but I
don't think all is wrong with it either. There have been layoffs, but there has been
hiring as well, you have to look at the net change in overall employment over a given periiod of time. Your excerpt from bill blum's book only contains half the picture. For every country mentioned, there is a much more complex situation. I've tried to read your url's, but
I do have a job and other things to do.

Your quote: "it is shameful to be an american..." I'll let that speak for itself.

I'm assuming you haven't actually thought about an actual alternative to what
we are doing with Iraq, other than "give inspectors more time, and push for a diplomatic
solution." But, you don't seem to actually know how to
go about doing that. It's easy to say "push for a diplomatic solution." Give me an actual thought-out method, then I can respect that.

I admit America has done a lot of dirty work that is not consistent with American values. But, you fail to consider the possibility
that for every shady thing that has come out of America, there is a boat load of positive influences. But, you
wouldn't care about that side of the story since you think that you would be better off
living in N. Korea where you can be used for live human
biological/chemical weapons testing, or you can be forced into slavery in a Russian
style goulag for something your grandparent said before
you were even born.

America has done and continues to do some shitty
things...you are right. But, nothing you have provided has indicated that taking Saddam out is a bad idea overall. There are risks, short term and long term, not doubt.
But, I ask the questions:
Would the Iraqi people be better off with Saddam and his circle gone? Yes
Would the threat to America and its allies from Iraq be removed? Yes.

You are a fool if you think America is the only nation where capitalist motives influence politics. And, you are a fool if you think America is the only country that gets involved in the affairs of other
places to bolster its own interests at that time.
For example, Russia, Iran, Pakistan and India are all
claiming to support the emergence of a democratic government in Afghanistan, but at the same time they are
arming their favorite warlord just in case the democratic experiment
falls through--their guy will have the power. Sound familliar to all the evils
America does? Only it's not America. It's the world we live in, America is just the favorite punching bag.

American Joe
USA - Friday, February 14, 2003 at 01:03:55 (CST)

Since World War II, the U.S. government has given more than
$200 billion in military aid to train, equip, and subsidize more
than 2.3 million troops and internal security forces in more than
eighty countries, the purpose being not to defend them from
outside invasions but to protect ruling oligarchs and
multinational corporate investors from the dangers of domestic
anti-capitalist insurgency. Among the recipients have been some
of the most notorious military autocracies in history, countries
that have tortured, killed or otherwise maltreated large numbers
of their citizens because of their dissenting political views, as
in Turkey, Zaire, Chad, Pakistan, Morocco, Indonesia, Honduras,
Peru, Colombia, El Salvador, Haiti, Cuba (under Batista),
Nicaragua (under Somoza), Iran (under the Shah), the Philippines
(under Marcos), and Portugal (under Salazar).
U.S. leaders profess a dedication to democracy. Yet over the
past five decades, democratically elected reformist governments
in Guatemala, Guyana, the Dominican Republic, Brazil, Chile,
Uruguay, Syria, Indonesia (under Sukarno), Greece, Argentina,
Bolivia, Haiti, and numerous other nations were overthrown by
pro-capitalist militaries that were funded and aided by the U.S.
national security state.
The U.S. national security state has participated in covert
actions or proxy mercenary wars against revolutionary governments
in Cuba, Angola, Mozambique, Ethiopia, Portugal, Nicaragua,
Cambodia, East Timor, Western Sahara, and elsewhere, usually with
dreadful devastation and loss of life for the indigenous
populations. Hostile actions have been directed against reformist
governments in Egypt, Lebanon, Peru, Iran, Syria, Zaire, Jamaica,
South Yemen, the Fiji Islands, and elsewhere.
Since World War II, U.S. forces have directly invaded or
launched aerial attacks against Vietnam, the Dominican Republic,
North Korea, Laos, Cambodia, Lebanon, Grenada, Panama, Libya,
Iraq, and Somalia, sowing varying degrees of death and
destruction.

this is an excerpt from chapter
3 of bill blum's book.
click my name to a quick link to more
information on how the american
ppl have been duped
more-than-meets-the-eye
- Thursday, February 13, 2003 at 23:58:42 (CST)

american joe..
i have spend the last few months
informing ppl about the bush mob.
call it whining if you want..
whatever it takes to justify your
so called postition. personally, i see
a load of bull twaddle when you say you
were considering not supporting the war.
there has been no concrete evidence to support
this rush to war. no solid proof that sodamn insane
is linked to 9/11 or even al qaeda.

this war is not just. it is about oil and corporate
greed. how many shares of oil stock do you have in your portfolio?
who do you know has oil stock.
how are you going to benefit, personally
from this attack?
i studied the political economy of
communications while at university.
not exactly an economics course, but not
exactly being completely ignorant as to how
economy works. in fact, it gave
be a good background as to how
politics and economy are inter related.
gee..maybe that's how i get my understanding
of what's going on..do ya think.

well..i'll have to go dig up the
figures on the rise n fall of the
employment rate..coz geez there have been lay
offs across america..big ones.
100,000 this month, 60 thou that month.
lots of ppl holding 2 or 3 part time jobs
to make ends meet.

so..joe..you take your ill informed whining
about my assault on the corporate menance
that dominates the american political economy
and the propaganda machine that dupes ppl like
you into believing all is right with the
world.

have you even tried to read any
of the urls i've posted. i've
got a feeling the answer is not.
you don't want to be informed.
you are happy in your blissful
ignorance that america has killed
millions so we can "enjoy" the
right to say we've got the biggest
and bestest country in the world.

it is shameful to be an american, especially
if one even attempts to call themselves a christian.

can you tell me..how killing women and children, elderly or disabled
children is christ like?

ah..the american delusion.
more-than-meets-the-eye
- Thursday, February 13, 2003 at 23:49:22 (CST)

I love your site - please keep up the good work!
Samantha Williams <willsamantha4@yahoo.com>
USA, none USA - Thursday, February 13, 2003 at 22:46:22 (CST)

Oh i see we have a retired security gurd aka* (more_than_meets_the_eye) You poor guy you. Made A "F" in life did ya. Well its all so easy to flunk life and make your self feel better by droping a load off on some who dosent care to know you and would not claim they new you if they did. I would like to know do you have any friends and if so; how much do you pay them to hang out with you more_than_meets_the_eye. I am not hear to talk politics but cause thats for the people that are smarter than me. How ever i can speak commonsense. I support Busch simply because he is the president some one has to be an idiot and get elected how ever you get elected. Are the still counting the vote these days dont matter cause i dont vote. However If I could be president for a day I would pull the troops out of evry where get make another NATO wich would probably be NTWTS AKA* NATIONS THAT WANT TO SURVIVE. THAT TAKES FRANCE RIGHT OF THE LIST. I SAY WHAT IS THE REASON TREATIES ARE MADE TO END A WAR TO PREVENT A WAR. SO PLAIN AND SIMPLE YOU BEAK A TREATY YOU GET SPANKED. BY NTWTS. Ahh well i guess thats why i am not the presidnet cause every one can think of a million options but most likley they dont see the big picture. I say the presidents have all these sources of resources he mostlikley is making the best decission. But who knows ahh maybe its over oil wich i doubt. But in about 10-15 years gas engines will be illegal to drive on the highway. I am only 24 but I know BS when i see it more than meets the eye and i know. It matters a dam what i think in this world. I dont know any one thats not amercian thats in the middle east do why should i care if they want to kill each other just dont mess with any one in the NTWTS. ohh i forgot thats not real. I like reading how some peolpe can take a conversation put it into a totaly diffrent topic and make it sound like its was orginaly ment to be taken that way. Ok enough of me Last time i will ever make a post with your name in it more than meets the eye. You live just to see if you can irritate other people. nice job guy you piss some of these yahoos prety dam bad. But you will have to do way better cause i dont care about burning babies i call death Naturla slection. Bad way of looking at it but i am not GOD and i cant stop it

ANOTHERBIGBIGAMERCIAN
ewa beach , hawaii USA - Thursday, February 13, 2003 at 21:11:00 (CST)

More than, of the three months you have been whining
on this chat room, you have offered up the following alternative to U.S. policy:

"allow more time for inspectors. Push for diplomatic solutions."

Of all the volumes of whining and crying about America, that's all you can come up with as far as an alternative?
It has absolutely no substance. What will giving the inspectors more time accomplish? Push for diplomatic solutions? What the hell does that actually
mean? Can you get anymore vague than that? How exactly do you go about pushing for a
diplomatic solution with Saddam.
Saddam got his foot in the door in Iraqi politics by
assassinating someone. He has killed his own relatives for dissagreeing with him.
Our unemployment rate? It's actually gone down this quarter. Our unemployment rate in the early 80's was as high
as 11%, again it's 6% now. 5% is considered the most healthy economic rate in a capitalist society as lower
unemployment tightens job markets and creates inflationary pressures.
So, being that you are an investigative reporter by trade
you probably are very pre-disposed to assume that your subjects are doing something scandalous and it's just a matter of uncovering it.
YOU need an open mind, not me.
I was against this war, but have changed my mind--still have mixed feelings about it.
I look at both sides of the story, which is partly why I'm entertaining your information.
So far I've seen 99% non-sense with very little actual relavence to the actual problem.

American Joe
USA - Thursday, February 13, 2003 at 20:15:06 (CST)

freedumb..who in your family died
in connection to 9/11?
my cousin was missing for about 10 days.
we finally found her. she had just been out of
town. but, she did live in nyc. and her line of
business does take her into places like the wtc.

geez..ya know the closest i cam
to an actual victim's family of the
wtc..the little girl across the street's
cousin's grandfather died in the collapse of the
second tower.

i like my neighbors, i felt bad for thier inlaw loss.
but even they aren't as rabid
as you, in seeking retribution on
all the iraqis..who had sweet
diddly to do with 9/11 anyhow.
that was al qaeda..and bin laden.
geez..get your conflicts straight huh.

more-than-meets-the-eye
- Thursday, February 13, 2003 at 19:37:00 (CST)

life is made of small incidents.
the road to the gulf war was incidentand occurance
after occurance, the road after the gulf war is paved
in the same way. there are lots and lots of incidents
on both sides, on more sides.
you show your ignorance of the
entire situation when you try to mock
me..because, i have had a life.
and i haven't dwelt on the war with
iraq for the last dozen years.
but, i do know where to go to look
for facts regarding what has
occurred..i haven't been brainwashed
for the last decade..apparently you
have.
and as for the aol. webpage
well..gee it's the author's home page
an author who has written books.
so he uses aol. he could use whatever he wanted.
having an aol address does not discredit the info
anymore than having a dotgov address does.
it might call it in to suspicion.
but it doesn't discredit.
you need to get a life freedumb/frank.
you've revealed yourself again. mind i
thought it was you all along anyhow. but,
yeah never know..do ya..what happen in iraq in 1995.
duhhhh.

more-than-meets-the-eye
- Thursday, February 13, 2003 at 19:21:17 (CST)

anyway, I've got better things to do than babbling with lunatics.
American freedom
- Thursday, February 13, 2003 at 19:08:41 (CST)

And always remember what more-than says,
everyone: "Terrorists didn't attack America and American families on 9/11, they attacked corporate america!"

you said they shouldn't take their losses personally. that they should blame corporate america. you're
such an idiot.
American freedom
- Thursday, February 13, 2003 at 19:03:32 (CST)

more-tham, I don't need url's. Unlike you, I have been paying attention to Iraq since the crisis began over a
decade ago. And the fact that you think you can figure it out by going to some stupid aol member sponsored
website shows how easily you can be slanted in your views.

I'm not attacking you. I'm mocking you by presenting the big picture thwart your little isolated events and
little isolated webpages. Why do you hate more, more-than, for just "revealing the truth"?
American freedom
- Thursday, February 13, 2003 at 18:56:22 (CST)

a.freedumb. you just keep your
desperate attack at me. okay.
the error i made was in iraq's
geography. where did i say rice was
racist.

i post significant urls. you've locked
on to one..one that shows that
america is a brute that over throws
governments. democratically elected or otherwise
you keep on revealing your ignorance.
i'm enjoying it.

more-than-meets-the-eye
- Thursday, February 13, 2003 at 18:47:27 (CST)

more-than, everyone knows that the gov't cons people. Businesses try to con people. and PEOPLE try to con people. That's the
world. Grow up and learn how to deal with it.
American freedom
- Thursday, February 13, 2003 at 18:45:40 (CST)

Oh please. The truth? Like Iraq is landlocked? Like C. Rice is a racist? Like living in America is like
living in North Korea? The truth according to you and only you.
American freedom
- Thursday, February 13, 2003 at 18:37:51 (CST)

more-than, at least I don't have to look up my history at http://members.aol.com/bblum6/iraq2.htm because I was
actually paying attention back then. I've already completely embarrassed you and revealed to everyone that
you don't know anything about this situation (Iraq's geography, the Russia factor, locations of ethnicities,
Israel's part (or non-part) or the war, the fact that Indonesia isn't researching nuclear weapons, etc. on top
of the fact that you have to look up your history on http://members.aol.com/bblum6/iraq2.htm) which just, as
Texas Patriot puts it, reveals the man behind the curtain of your little world of rhetoric.
American freedom
- Thursday, February 13, 2003 at 18:33:55 (CST)

a.freedom
i don't need a job, i have an income. and
no its not a pension plan..it's called letting
your money work for you.

the only ppl, i blame for the problems are rednecks and
the government that they support.

i do a lot of research on my
computer..all day long. i flip back to here to see if
some patraidiot has made rude noises. i comment.
if i find something of interest regarding
this current situtation. i share
the info.
it ain't against the law. so
whine away a.freedumb

your problem is you don't like
what i post..you don't like what
i post because it speaks the truth.
not just my truth..but, the real truth
of what the gov. is doing to the ppl.
the lies, the cons, the swindles.
so yall go right on supporting
the criminals in power.
i don't..and i will keep speaking out.

more-than-meets-the-eye
- Thursday, February 13, 2003 at 18:29:31 (CST)

more-than, I have a radical new idea for you--stop blaming other people for your own proglems, get off your
ass, start making some money, go to school, get a career, and most of all, get off this website that you sit on for
24 hours a day, 7 days a week and GET A LIFE!
American freedom
- Thursday, February 13, 2003 at 18:19:57 (CST)

good to hear you have employment joe.
many americans don't. the number is rising
daily. what was the unemployment rate last year?
or the year before?

while, i'd like to claim, i'm resourceful.
the truth is i'm a trained investigative reporter.
health retired, mind you. but nonetheless,
i am very aware how the system
works, and where to look for info.

don't let my typing/spelling etc. fool you.
there are wonderful ppl..godlike ppl. called
copy editors who make their living correcting
language errors, be it spelling or syntax. i worship
them.

now, as to what would i do.
allow more time for inspections.
work towards diplomatic solutions.
iraq isn't as horrid as america
makes it out to be. the vileness of
sodamn insane is part of the propaganda
mill. as is the good guy status that america
claims to have.

the UN was designed to handle these
situations. america..read bushwhacko in
his rush to war, is breaking apart the UN
and NATO and any other alliance that gets
in his way.

he's pulling strings with the World Trade Organization.
the International Monetary Fund..plus wheeling and dealing in
the background.

BUSH SHOULD BE UP ON CHARGES.
he lacks ethics. look at the criminals
he's surrounded himself with.
corporate thieves. enron bilked the american
tax system out of a couple of billion dollars.
our gov is impotent to charge these liars and thieves.
the president should be creating
laws to ensure that this never happens
again. the lawyers and accountants who
devise these swindles should be jailed.
they are thieves. we pay..they
play.

oh..and you asked about kosovo
and ethnic cleansing, i thinkit was
you. anyhow click my name for
a very interesting speech. if
it's too heady for you to read.
search in the page for kosovo.
http://members.aol.com/bblum6/speech.htm

more-than-meets-the-eye
- Thursday, February 13, 2003 at 18:01:16 (CST)

Can't spend too much time today since I'm one of those
"corporate honchos" who have jobs. I'm curious, though:
More than, you are articulate and resourceful, and pretty good
at finding bits and pieces of information that work with your
conspiracy theory non-sense. You said recently that most people believe we should resolve the problem with Iraq
diplomatically. Okay, why don't you explain how exactly that is done. You are spending
a lot of time whining and complaining, but what would YOU do?
France, Germany, Russia and China are doing the same thing.
Their answer is: increase the number of inspectors. And, do what? It is not the inspectors job to find weapons
that Iraq has hidden, it's Iraq's agreed responsibility to prove it has dissarmed. Your statement that most people outside of America don't believe Powell,
is false. They don't trust Powell, but most people who are against the war agree Iraq
obviously still has these weapons and is playing games with the inspection process. Iraq appears to be smarter than France, Germany, Russia and China as these countries
are buying into its deception. By the way, the U.S. economy is not failing. It is in recession. Recessions are cyclical, they happen consistently about every 10 years (early 70's, early 80's early 90's, early 00's). I guess you have to be older than about 18 to really remember more than one recession. Take an economics class! U.S. unemployment is at 6% while Germany's is at about 11%. Inflation is minimal, home purchasing is at
a high. Yeah, that's a "failing" economy...
Your information about the babies being removed from
the incubators in the first Gulf war is accurate.
That was un-true and very dissappointing. I don't trust everything I hear from the U.S. government either, but, I believe their current position on Iraq is correct.
Although the incubator story was fabricated, and that's unfortunate, not un-true is the hangings, tortures, and imprisonment of Kuwaiti civilians by the Iraqi military.
American Joe
USA, - Thursday, February 13, 2003 at 17:07:27 (CST)

hey, hey..hundreds of thousands
expected to take part in london,
england peace march so says CNN.
why isn't CNN telling america
about the nation wide peace marches occuring
on feb 15.
see:
http://www.unitedforpeace.org

they are predicting involvement
in all nations. click my name for
a quick link to united for peace
info.
more-than-meets-the-eye
- Thursday, February 13, 2003 at 16:39:37 (CST)

whaahoooooo..2 congress men, some
miltary person and parents of soldiers
are going to court to block bushwhacko's
attack on iraq.

bush has to get congress to make the declaration
of war..bush baby is gonna cry to daddy i betcha!!
"make them stop daddy..buy them off me huh-huh"
more-than-meets-the-eye
- Thursday, February 13, 2003 at 16:22:27 (CST)

You know this terrorist thing has me between Iraq and a
hard place.

Bla hahahahahhaahhahaha
Frank
UT, KT - Thursday, February 13, 2003 at 16:01:46 (CST)

Well big Big American has purchased 20,000 rools of big big duck tape to protect me
from smelly little terrorists.

All I have to do is wrap up me Big BIg car, big big
house, big big dog house and of course my big big self.

I wonder if I should wrap the cheeseburger.

OHHHHH now I am hungry.

Big Big Big Big Big
Big American
Big Big City, Big Big Big State One Big Big ass countryUSA - Thursday, February 13, 2003 at 13:55:43 (CST)

The ink was barely dry on the headline of USA Today -- "Bush: The Game Is
Over" -- when the response came from French Prime Minister Jean-Pierre
Raffarin: "It's not a game. It's not over."

For the first time in decades, the "Old Europe" that Defense Secretary
Donald Rumsfeld so contemptuously dismissed is standing up to
Washington. France and Germany, together with Russia issued a joint
statement on Iraq, calling for increased inspections and a postponement of
the war that President Bush wants so badly. Within NATO, France,
Germany, and Belgium have further angered Washington by announcing
they would veto a U.S. request for military equipment to be used by Turkey
in the war against Iraq.

It is too early to tell whether the European leaders are serious, or merely
setting up political cover for a future capitulation to the Bush Administration.
Some would like to give in to Washington but are under pressure from the
voting public, which in Europe is overwhelmingly against the war.

Secretary of State Colin Powell's long and boring presentation at the UN
convinced only those who really wanted to be convinced. So Saddam
Hussein is a liar and a cheat -- what else is new? Powell has been lying,
too: his claim that UN inspectors caught Iraq moving and hiding illicit
materials was false. So, too, was President Bush's assertion that the
International Atomic Energy Agency had found Iraq to be six months away
from developing a nuclear weapon.

During the first Gulf War, our government used manufactured evidence of all
kinds to deceive the American public. The Pentagon claimed it had satellite
photos showing Iraqi tanks and 250,000 troops poised to invade Saudi
Arabia. Then there was the horrifying story about Iraqi troops killing 312
babies in a Kuwaiti hospital by stealing their incubators. Both of these
stories played a major role in winning domestic support for the war; both
later turned out to be false.

Now we have alleged links of Iraq to Al-Qaeda, although denied by our own
CIA and British intelligence. This is a joke. According to the standards
adopted by the Bush administration -- the presence of people associated
with Al-Qaeda inside the country -- "Old Europe" and even the United
States would be shown to have stronger ties than Iraq to Al-Qaeda.

The bottom line is that this war has nothing to do with our national security.
To the Bush Administration, and its chief political strategist Karl Rove, it is
a game. It's a power grab. Having successfully used the confrontation with
Iraq to win both houses of Congress last November, they intend to ride their
"War on Terrorism" all the way to the White House in 2004.

These people know how to read the polls. The Republicans have a 54-16
lead on "security" issues, but would lose badly on the economy, jobs, the
budget, Medicare, or any other set of domestic issues. Not to mention the
string of scandals -- Harken Energy, Haliburton, Enron and other corporate
malfeasance, and the September 11 intelligence failures -- that the war talk
has allowed them to sidestep.

So they can grab power at home, and power abroad -- control over Middle
Eastern oil has been a key component of American global dominance
since the end of World War II. It's a win-win situation. If the anger provoked
by the mass killing of civilians in Iraq leads to terrorist attacks on
Americans, this will provide further justification for Dick Cheney's vision of a
war without end.

All this is obvious to most of the world, but here at home it is obscured by
the media. Although most journalists are against the war, they mainly offer
the Bush Administration's point of view -- especially in the broadcast
media. Our journalists follow an unwritten rule: unless the leadership of the
opposition party offers a strong rebuttal, then reporting the news means
reporting the arguments of those who are in power.

And there's the catch: the Democratic leadership has shamefully abdicated
its responsibility to oppose the war. This leaves tens of millions of
Americans who do not want this war -- a majority in some polls -- with very
little representation in the major news media, allowing the Administration a
huge advantage in its daily public relations campaign. If not for this
advantage, Bush's game would certainly be over.

Mark Weisbrot is Co-Director of the Center for Economic and Policy
Research, in Washington D.C.

more mainstream news articles like this can be
found at:
http://www.commondreams.org/

click my name for a quick link
to the homepage.
more-than-meets-the-eye
- Thursday, February 13, 2003 at 11:35:45 (CST)

geez..your a redneck.
if you don't play our way we're
gonna take our toys and go home.
i.e. take out the military bases

we won't be trading partners with you.
well..joe..countries are already
starting to boycott made in america
products or products that have
american connections.

ppl are cancelling vacations to america.

bushita is pushing war, and the american
economy is failing. he's even upset that greenspan
isn't doing it his way..or saying his way
won't work.

america's leader is a quitter,
a liar, a footstomping spoiled brat
bully..and we're all getting tarred
with the same brush..it's time
to drop the nut that fell from the shrub.
another loser, who didn't follow thru
in 1990. another corporately owned loser.
america loses when it hides behind the bushs.

more-than-meets-the-eye
- Thursday, February 13, 2003 at 11:04:29 (CST)

Published on Tuesday,
February 11, 2003 by the
New York Times
The Wimps of War
by Paul Krugman

Why might Europeans not trust Mr. Bush
to follow through after an Iraq war?
One answer is that they've been
mightily unimpressed with his
follow-through in Afghanistan.
Another is that they've noticed
that promises the Bush administration
makes when it needs military allies
tend to become inoperative once
the shooting stops � just ask
General Musharraf about Pakistan's
textile exports.

But more broadly, they may have noticed something that is becoming
apparent to more and more people here:
the Bush administration's
consistent unwillingness to take
responsibility for solving difficult
problems.
When the going gets tough, it seems,
Mr. Bush changes the subject.

Last week's budget is a perfect example....

click my name for the complete
article.
more-than-meets-the-eye
- Thursday, February 13, 2003 at 09:49:23 (CST)

Published on Wednesday, February 12, 2003 by the Toronto Star
War Not the Only Solution
by Lloyd Axworthy
begin excerpt...
Canada must lend its voice
and influence to ensuring
that this alternative is
given a chance to be heard
and discussed at the U.N. and
not be dismissed by Washington hawks.

This is the kind of approach much
of the rest of the world expects
from us.
If we behave as though war is
inevitable or formulate policy
as though it has already occurred,
we neglect to search for the types
of creative diplomatic solutions that
are so desperately needed at a time
like this.
Lloyd Axworthy is a former Canadian foreign
affairs minister who is
director and CEO of the Liu Institute
for Global Issues at the University of
British Columbia.

click my name for the full article.

more-than-meets-the-eye
- Thursday, February 13, 2003 at 09:30:14 (CST)

received in my email today.
and you think the world is laught at us.
Apparently this is a transcript of an ACTUAL radio conversation of a U.S.
naval ship with Canadian authorities off the coast of Newfoundland in
October, 1995. Radio conversation released by the Chief of Naval Operation
10/10/95.

Americans: Please divert your course
15 degrees to the North to avoid a
collision.

Canadians: Recommend you divert YOUR
course 15 degrees to the South to
avoid a collision.

Americans: This is the Captain of
a U.S. Navy ship. I say again, divert
YOUR course.

Canadians: No. I say again,you divert
YOUR course.

Americans: THIS IS THE AIRCRAFT CARRIER
U.S.S. LINCOLN, THE SECOND
LARGESTSHIP IN THE UNITED STATES'
ATLANTIC FLEET. WE ARE ACCOMPANIED
BY THREE DESTROYERS, THREE CRUISERS AND
NUMEROUS SUPPORT VESSELS.

I DEMAND THAT YOU CHANGE YOUR
COURSE 15 DEGREES NORTH,
THAT'S ONE FIVE DEGREES NORTH,
OR COUNTER-MEASURES WILL BE UNDERTAKEN
TO ENSURE THE SAFETY OF THIS SHIP.

Canadians: This is a lighthouse. Your call.

well, rednecks..don't you think that
joke pretty much sums up the world
situation right now. might does
not make right.
bushwhacko would tell the lighthouse
to move..he's coming through.

that is if you could get that
chickenhawk into a battlezone.

more-than-meets-the-eye
- Thursday, February 13, 2003 at 09:08:50 (CST)

Oh well, now the media`s really starting to spit dirt.
All of us Europeans have forgotten our horrible past, if we raise our voices it is just to impeach America...
Anti-Americanism, what a ridiculous term...
Yeah, now you got us.
We all just hate America.
Dammit, now they found it out.
I wonder when we will officially belong to the axis of evil...
Do your people really believe all that?
But if they`ll withdraw all of their troops from Germany now, fine with me.
Just make sure they take Echelon back home too.
Hybrid
- Thursday, February 13, 2003 at 08:59:00 (CST)

patsy can't you fight your own
battles..you gotta bring in back up.

a. freedom..i didn't just discover
it on that webpage. the webpage
confirmed my memory was on target.
iraq may not be land locked, but they are
blocked from access to shipping trade.
they have about 30 miles of swampy coastline.

the page i posted about 1990
iraq/kuwait gives synopsis of what
has lead us to this point in
history..of course being a redneck
you don't want to look at history.
you only want to look at now.

you don't even want to look at tomorrow.

all you want to do is go kick butt. you don't want
to look at the consequences.

yesterday, i heard pretty much
a solid day of how the french were
cowards and that they were destroying
nato.

um..how about this scenario. the
french are extremely brave to stand
up to bushwhacko and are heros
for doing so.

they are aware of the economic
agenda behind the political diplomacy.
france, germany, belgium deserve
a standing ovation for having
the heart and courage to care
about other ppl on this planet.
not just their corporate connections.

america is a spoilt rich child
having a temper tantrum because
someone has something they don't.
america..read as bush..as gone out
and bought, bartered and promised
what ever it takes to get the spoiled
baby whatever it wants.

bush is making america the laughing stock of
the planet. a news clip on japan was very
insightful yesterday.

the woman interviewed said.
america is our friend. we are
telling our friend they are about
to make a big mistake. you do that
for your friends. protect them from
themselves. warn them.

90 percent of the japanese ppl are against this war.
every country around the world opposes
the war..their leaders are the
only ones who are listening to
america.

where is this so called democracy
america is supposed to have blanketted the
civilized world in.

the majority..the ppl are saying
no war. the ppl are saying solve
the iraqi problem with diplomacy.

america's purpose should be
no more than to stand behind the
world as a **possible** enforcer
to make sure rebellious countries
do as the democracy of the ppl want.

instead, it is creating an impossible
situtation. it has the world
poised on the brink of WW3.

news on bbcworld today. korea can
hit any american target on the planet.

korea is oil starved. you don't think
they won't jump in if iraq is
attacked?

korea and the usa's problems began
in 1997 when the usa began breaching
the treaty. but, the usa is the one
calling foul..they break the treaty..
but its the other countries fault.

yeah..america the temper tantrum..big
baby of the world. it is immature and
spoiled. and with a moron like
bushwhacko at the helm..supported
by brainwashed/duped patsys..off
to war we go..

bloody suicidal idiots.
neo nazi retards.
i resent you for destroying the
american dream. for allowing
the collapse of the roman empire
while mad emporer nero fiddles with the bilderbergers.

more-than-meets-the-eye
- Thursday, February 13, 2003 at 08:56:57 (CST)

PATSY'S BACK IN TOWN AND HE BROUGHT THE 101st AIRBORNE AIR ASSAULT DIVISION WITH HIM.
TEXAS PATRIOT
USA - Thursday, February 13, 2003 at 07:51:23 (CST)

Ronnie - simply put, if it doesn't work, people won't buy it.

more-than, it's funny watching you squirm in the face of the big picture. All I said was that the few subs
Iraq had came from Russia just like almost every other part of their arsenol. I never said they were a major
sea power.

How about this more-than, if you want to know what happened in 1990, pay attention in 1990. How's
that for a radical new idea? How about this more-than, if you need to find out where this crisis started, what are
you even doing here? Especially when you say you've just discovered it on http://members.aol.com/bblum6/iraq2.htm

spare me.
American freedom
- Thursday, February 13, 2003 at 03:19:57 (CST)

Hope you all are very comfortable taking pot shots
at America from the protection of America's security blanket.
Do you sleep well at night knowing that America's "inferior"
F-16's will kick the crap out of anyone that tries to take YOUR freedoms? Are you satisfied that your national protection
is largely paid for by Americans? And, you think
American corporate greed somehow takes something from you that you inherently deserve...
Yeah, America is the most powerful nation
in the world, therefore, we must be entirely to blame
for everything, right? Every horrible thing that happens in the world--must be America's fault, right?
Your problem is that you actually respect America too much, since you seem to think that America has complete
control of the cosmos--can't possibly
imagine how all-mightly America could have been attacked, so therefore, America must have been behind it, or at least let it happen! I'm sorry, who is ignorant and arrogant?
I have
an idea, let's give you un-
greatful whiners what you say you want. Let's
close down our military bases in your countries,
not conduct trade with your
countries (since I'm assuming
you are against world trade), remove our NATO agreements for mutual protection. Then, when your economies crumble from being
isolated, and every rat bastard with a little bit
of inherited power lines up
at your border to take a big wet bite out of your ass,
America can sit back and watch your countries break up into
pieces. Then when you are standing in your bread lines
you can ponder America's "inferior" products and catch yourself muttering, " I would kill
for a Big Mac right now" (notice I used McDonalds and not
Burger King since Burger King happens to be a British company--are they part of this
American looting of the world? You know, there are a lot of successful
corporations that are not American. Nokia--Finnish, Ericsson--Swedish, Bic--British, Nortel--Canadian, etc., etc., You think the motivation of oil is unique
to America? Look at what France and Russia have been
doing with Iraq in the last 2-3 years--trying to be first
in line at their oil when the sactions are lifted.

American Joe
USA - Thursday, February 13, 2003 at 02:47:42 (CST)

Freindly Fire--If one remembers, the CEO's that made the battery's
for the "Smart Bombs" decieded to cut corners,
and altered the programable controls in the bombs
to think the old batteries were really good ones!

How clever! That's good old America Crony Capitalism again.

What was it Peter Singer said, "People would have let children starve in third world countries, than give up their Mercedes.

Typcal American CEO's-cut, and save, producing inferior American goods, while lowering the tarrifs on imports.

Ronnie
- Wednesday, February 12, 2003 at 22:48:37 (CST)

Iraq/Kuwait 1990
The current conflict had its origins in the brutal 1980-88
war between Iraq and Iran. Iraq charged that while it was locked
in battle, Kuwait was engaged in stealing $2.4 billion of oil
from the Rumaila oil field that ran beneath the vaguely-defined
Iraq-Kuwait border and was claimed in its entirety by Iraq; that
Kuwait had built military and other structures on Iraqi
territory; and worst of all, that immediately after the war
ended, Kuwait and the United Arab Emirates began to exceed the
production quotas established by the Organization of Petroleum
Exporting Countries (OPEC), flooding the oil market, and driving
prices down. Iraq was heavily strapped and deeply in debt
because of the long war, and Iraqi President Saddam Hussein
declared this policy was an increasing threat to his country --
"economic war", he called it, pointing out that Iraq lost a
billion dollars a year for each drop of one dollar in the oil
price.{7} Besides compensation for these losses, Hussein
insisted on possession of the two Gulf islands which blocked
Iraq's access to the Gulf as well as undisputed ownership of the
Rumaila oilfield.

there ya go..for more info on what
happened in 1990 click my name
for a quick link.

more-than-meets-the-eye
- Wednesday, February 12, 2003 at 22:40:35 (CST)

a.freedom wow! iraq does have a seaport.
you're right. it is right near
an oil refinery, basrah. but, you
know, i'm not finding anything
about it being a deep sea harbor. or
used for shipping or military.
guess the gulf war news reports,
coming from cnn were lying when they
said sodamn wanted kuwait because
it would give him access to seaports.
oh yeah, and that kuwait had once been
a province of iraq before the west partitioned it
off.
oops..i've made one error..based
on mainstream news reports from
over a decade ago..ya got me..
wow..one fact i've mentioned
is wrong..however..iraq, still is not
a sea power..is it?
even you didn't know for sure.
more-than-meets-the-eye
- Wednesday, February 12, 2003 at 21:41:54 (CST)

hey dsblueyes.
how's canada's logging industry doing?
america won't bomb you..it will take you
over economically. canadian friends tell
me, that thanks to the american breaching
of the NAFTA agreement and the GATT that
canada will soon be mexico north.
yeah..america the friendly neighbor
to the entire world. either we bomb the
crap out of you..or we destroy you
economically..either way we will
control you.
don't be afraid canada..trust
dubya and the boys..it was only
friendly fire that killed those
canadian kids in afghanistan.
you know friendly fire is okay.
right.
more-than-meets-the-eye
- Wednesday, February 12, 2003 at 21:30:59 (CST)

yeah..yeah some 1..do ruby ridge
or waco mean anything to you.
howabout kent state. geez and how
many americans are locked up in jail
for political views or activism.

where's the you touch one american and you
touch us all rhetoric ..why are we allowing
the government to do dirty deeds, dirt cheap..and
not standing up for our fellow americans.
right the constitution and bill of rights
no longer stand..we've got homeland security and the patriot
act.
so..there ya go some 1..you've
just shown you are nothing but
a neo-nazi redneck..out to kick some
butt..anyone's butt who disagrees with you.

more-than-meets-the-eye
- Wednesday, February 12, 2003 at 21:21:09 (CST)

LMFAO(hey more than an aram"meets the lie" i mean eye) ok dude listen up . You know what some one from Iraq told me that "They wish USA would kill Sadam so that there family could eat" Not really sure what that ment but they told ME face to face; there mouth to my ear; If you dont understand peckerweed I was there; Ohh yeah one time at band camp I mean; south korea i meet a North korean who said he was told that the Norht Korea was better than south Korea his wish he could tell his mom. Sad ; you know whats even more sad is that you try and make the truth sound like a Lie and do a dam good job at it. I wold like to congradulate you on your research efforts and Time you put into your sites you post. If i wanted to read what you saw i would vist www.horseshitfromadumbassthatshappytobeinamericabutcantmakeit. BTW you touch one american you touch us all we are mean basturds and we dont play;
SOME_1_WHO_ACTUALLY_LIVES_IN_THE_USA
- Wednesday, February 12, 2003 at 21:15:13 (CST)

oh a. freedom. you wound me deeply.
a religious cult leader..preaching
peace, exposing lies. shame on me.

would prefer i did a bush impression.
preach a crusade, preach war.

hey if it's good enough for bush2 to preach
then it's good enough for me.
only, i'm not feeding you lies.
i'm directing to you to the truth.
the agenda of bushwhacko and the mafia.

i'm overt about the dangers of the
new world order. bush baby is covert
in making the new world order a reality.

ahhh..such is the life of maverick radical
we get labelled so many things.
because the truth scares ppl. and we
do expose it..tsk, tsk.

but, my hero's are radicals.
the founding fathers, jesus, gandi, abbe hoffman.
john lennon, yup..i've a thing
for ppl who appreciate life, liberty
and the pursuit of happiness, especially
those who believe in human rights. and don't
worship the golden calf, the false
idol..money
ppl before profit..no blood for oil

more-than-meets-the-eye
- Wednesday, February 12, 2003 at 20:56:52 (CST)

of course anyone who lost a family
member in 9/11 is going to take it
personally..everyone in the world
who lost someone in 9/11 is going
to be upset. how long is the us of a
going keeping whining they got attacked.
the victims of 9/11 were international.
not just americans..but how often
do we see these ppl mentioned in
the flurry of remember 9/11 msgs.
right they weren't americans. they
didn't count. the victims of those
families didn't grieve as much as
the families of american victims.
those countries shouldn't take
9/11 personally. only america should.

9/11 is another pearl harbor.
wrong. 9/11 is was another hiroshima.
it was a warning to stop..stop
invading other countries. stop
pillaging and plundering. the warning
was not to america..it was to the
trans national corporations and the
military.

aside from some journalists, and postal workers
who were taken out with american
produced anthrax..what other
acts of terrorism HAVE occurred
in the usa?

bali took out a lot aussies. bali
was intended for decadent american
tourists.

any other civilian targets? that
were aimed specifically at americans you
can think of?

we've heard lots of "terrorism"
rhetoric on american soil. but,
how many attacks have there been?

remember what goering told the
nuremburg trials.
look out america..the sky is falling
says foxy-loxy..bushy-wushy..

more-than-meets-the-eye
- Wednesday, February 12, 2003 at 20:42:50 (CST)

hmm..the spread of communism. the
terrorful enemy of capitalism.
mccarthyism..ah..yeah another glorious
era in american freedom..not.

ah..isreal, the defenseless ones. the ones with
WMD..attacking a neighboring country. isreal home of
the zionists. ever read the protocols of zion?
http://www.users.one.se/~chribesk/sects/zog/prot01.html
click my name for a quick link.

more-than-meets-the-eye
- Wednesday, February 12, 2003 at 20:17:36 (CST)

Before I exit, I have one more piece of information for
everyone to chew on: In 1981, Israel to the bold action of unilaterally and preemptively
sending one of it's top fighter pilots (who recently passed on in the Columbia crash) on a mission to Iraq. The whole world, including America, condemned this action.
The mission was to destroy Iraq's nuclear weapons development facility. They succeeded. It is now believed
that had Israel not taken that courageous action, against the will of the world and of public opinion,
Iraq would have created a nuclear bomb before 1990. Had it not been for that mission, we would either have a much worse situation now,
or Saddam would have used his nuke on someone, inevitably resulting
in a retaliatory strike and the loss of far more innocent
Iraqi lives than is likely in
today's conflict. It is time for the world to stop messing around
with leaders who are deliberate murderers of innocent people
and just take them the hell out. Propping up democratic free governments afterwords
may be expansionist, but it's way better than risking it with
idiot bizarre dictators.

By the way, the likely responding argument that
America has been the biggest supporter of brutal dictatorships does not hold any salt. During the Cold War we did prop up some dictators to prevent the advance of Communism--a lesser of two evils choice at the time. The Cold War is over and the new threat is
terrorism and rogue brutal dictators

Stevo
USA - Wednesday, February 12, 2003 at 19:01:58 (CST)

I couldn't resist one more comment. Remember what more-than says, everyone! "It was corporate america that was
attacked, not america itself!" Only the evil corporations were hit and the rest of America shouldn't
take it too personally! Well, that's a relief isn't it folks? And it should comfort the affected American families. Phew! night all.
American freedom
- Wednesday, February 12, 2003 at 18:35:35 (CST)

haha. looks like tonight is stevo's turn to chat with more-than. enjoy!
American freedom
- Wednesday, February 12, 2003 at 18:24:34 (CST)

Texas Patriot - I agree. I know what kind of person we're dealing with in more-than. Basically the
equivalent of an over-zealous religious cult leader. I liked the Wizard of Oz metaphor, it made me laugh.

more-than, sorry I don't have time tonight to whip your ass in debate like last night, as I only have time for this one post.
But I'll repeat--go look at a map. Iraq is not land-locked. And I am not talking about a river. It borders
the Persian Gulf between Kuwait and Iran. And I find it funny that you used Israeli air defense missiles
to try and make them sound like a threat. Air defense missiles are not for killing people, they are for
intercepting incoming SCUDs (which remember, more-than, are Russian, not American). You will find that while Iraq
has purchased things from America that can kill people, Russia has contributed to about 90% of their military
capabilities. Not that you care about the big picture. Obviously you weren't very old during the Gulf War, as
you don't know any of this. You also didn't know about the Iraq-Israel part of the Gulf War that I described.
No big surprise there. I apologize that I will be unavailable to shut you down tonight, but maybe another
time, seeing as you have nothing else to do 7 days a week but sit on this webpage and complain. You hate
America and you get a kick out of calling yourself a patriot. You dismiss the ethnic cleansing in Kosovo,
claiming that we were involved solely "to keep trade routes open" and then whine that the American
government trampling your rights by increasing their capabilities to look out for terrorism. And (this one is
surprising, even for you) you claim living under Bush's regime is like living under the fist of communist North Korea. I think you're pretty
good at kicking your own ass here, so I'll leave you to your rantings about conspiracies and half-truths.
American freedom
- Wednesday, February 12, 2003 at 18:17:53 (CST)

more than, so what kind of car do you drive? Do you heat
your home? Do you work? I can see your response now,
something like: only because the "corporate agenda" forces me to live this way. So, I guess you would rather live by
walking around in the forest with a club, picking berries all day? Am I one of those "Corporate Honchos"
you speak of because I have a job? It would be nice if oil
was not the fuel that makes the world run, but that's the
way it is currently, and I believe that fewer innocent Iraqi's
will suffer in the long run the sooner we get rid of Saddam and open the door for
a government where the Iraqi people actually have a say
in things--and don't get gassed to death for whatever reason.
Stevo
USA - Wednesday, February 12, 2003 at 18:02:31 (CST)

dsblueyes, Canada is a great, free and beautiful country. Be thankful you live there.
The world IS addressing N. Korea now. Yes, I have heard of conspiracies, and they do exist.
And, the biggest conspiracy of the 21st century so far
is the network of unfortunate misguided terrorists who "conspired"
to kill many Americans AND Canadians on 9/11. Another big one is the Iraqi thugs
who have "conspired" dupe the free world into thinking they
are not a threat. Two scenarios for you:
1.) Saddam Hussein enlists a few of his most trusted to get a container of Nerve Agent
spilled in Times Square.

2.) 19 Arab terrorists move to the U.S., learn to fly jets, hijack 4 of them and
fly them into WTC and the Pentagon.
If asked before 9/11 which scenario is more likely, most
would say the first one--from Iraq. Only the second one actually happened. Iraq is
absolutely a threat. The fact that their missiles can't
reach us means little in an asymetrical conflict.
Canada, America is not your enemy, it is your friend, okay?
Stevo
USA - Wednesday, February 12, 2003 at 17:47:50 (CST)

stevo
you've been duped..it wasn't
america that was attacked. it was
coporate america..and trans national corporations.
the buildings happened to be on american
soil.
not just american died in the
worldest tallest crematoriums.

aside from the police/fire fighters and other
emergency service workers who died. the death
toll drops by almost 1000. so
2,000 corportate honchos, and some
kitchen and maitance staff died.

how many iraqi's who are not associated
in any way with the corporate
agenda are going to die.
how many more victims to the
american halocaust do you want
to see, before you stop and say
enough.

i'm amazed at the number of americans
who don't know/understand why
america is despised outside of its
borders..hell, there is even
a contingent of american's who
despise the american way of
life..they are mostly ppl of color.
but that doesn't count does it..
not to the neo-nazi's that
hold power over this country, its
media and are beating the war drums
quite willing to trade blood for oil.

have you ducttaped and plastic
coated your home yet stevo?

gee, ain't it great that those
products are manufactured with the
use of oil.

walk proud stevo..you are willing
to kill women, children, elderly and disabled
ppl so you can drive your big
car, eat out, vacation in 3rd
world countries living a phoney
life-style for the moment while
you pretend you're a rich american.
oh yeah..the great american dream sold
for oil..remember this when you
attend the memrorial service for your
child, or your nephew or your
neighbor's child, grandchild.
remember you support blood for oil.
you support the government lying to you
to get that blood for oil.
you are a nationalist.
you are overturning the constitution.
sad..very sad..and scroll down a few postings
you'll find out where the taliban was provoked into
attacking america.

more-than-meets-the-eye
- Wednesday, February 12, 2003 at 17:45:02 (CST)

Ever hear of consperacy? US is a a neighbour, yet do not trust the best interest of the world....We are all afraid, as we are the little people, we do not have bunkers to sheild our children and family...we strive day to day for food and shelter over our heads and yet are in better shape than most here in Canada. Impending on issues that aim on one topic and that is oil...we have N. Korea a bigger threat and why is the world not addressing that issue now? Iraq people now do not trust there government? or the world? how are they supposed to feel? So many ancient wars that are being dealt with at once...we know what only our parents taught us or what we learned in school and see on t.v. broadcasted by our government.
dsblueyes <dslauenwhite2001@rogers.com>
- Wednesday, February 12, 2003 at 17:31:45 (CST)

Ah!! Well let me just jump right on your paranoa bandwagon then!

Actually you are right that we've been planning to take out Saddam since before 9/11.
Actually since 1998! And, we tried to, but Clinton's half-assed covert efforts to do it
fell through. As for the rest of your statement, it's pretty pitiful. American corp. greed caused 9/11? 9/11 is the result of a failed
pipeline deal with the Taliban? It seems that you are so afraid of the idea that
America was purely and simply a victim of a murderous attack,
and failed to detect it and stop it, that you assume America was behind it! You give American power too much credit. Some thug bastards fooled us and murdered 3,000 people, that's it.
You are playing right into their defenses for their actions. That argument is a spoonful of uneducated crap.
Stevo
USA - Wednesday, February 12, 2003 at 17:20:32 (CST)

ever heard of the american halocaust?
millions have died.

Could the Nazi holocaust have happened
without anyone knowing about it?

The American holocaust has.

For the detailed story -- a look at
the Empire without clothes -- read:

Killing Hope: U.S. Military and CIA
Interventions Since World War II

read this informative on line book.
click my name for a quick link to it.

the author's commentary.
So great and deep is the denial of
the American holocaust, I said,
that the denyers are not even aware
that the claimers or
their claim exist. Yet, a
few million people have died
in the American holocaust and many
more millions have been condemned
to lives of misery and torture as
a result of US interventions
extending from China and Greece
in the 1940s to Afghanistan and
Iraq in the 1990s.
I enclosed a listing of these
interventions, which is of course
the subject of the present book.

read the full commentary at
http://members.aol.com/bblum6/intronew.htm
or click my name for the book.
it details chapter by chapter
the countries america has disrupted.
more-than-meets-the-eye
- Wednesday, February 12, 2003 at 17:08:53 (CST)

the problem is that the attack
on iraq was in the planning stages well
before 9/11.

9/11 was most likely caused by
failed negotitations with the taliban
to ensure an afghani pipeline
that was planned in 1997.

the problem is that the american
ppl are being fed twisted info
to make them believe that the
attack on iraq is to free the
ppl from a despotic ruler.

the problem is the ppl are
being lied to regarding WMD's.

therein lies the the problem.
LIES, MORE LIES AND MORE LIES.

bushwhacko would not get the
support of the american ppl
if they knew the truth.

this impending war is to do
with greed. it was american corportate
greed that brought about the attack
on the WTC. it is american foreign
policy that cost the lives of 3,000
plus ppl on 9/11.

and then the lies to cover it up.

more-than-meets-the-eye
- Wednesday, February 12, 2003 at 16:49:14 (CST)

Yeah so, what's the problem? Iraq's "destabilizing influence to the flow of oil to international markets from the Middle East" is only of several sound reasons to dispose of Saddam and his sons and henchmen. The relationships between militaries and world trade have been around for centuries--it's not an American invention, nor is existence of that economic/militaristic relationship necessarily a negative. Even if Bush's and Cheney's motivations are all about their greedy stinking lust for oil money, the end result of removing Saddam, even if for the sake of oil, is a net positive on the state of the world.
Stevo
USA - Wednesday, February 12, 2003 at 16:32:42 (CST)

Official: US oil at the heart of Iraq crisis
By Neil Mackay
President Bush's Cabinet agreed in April 2001 that
'Iraq remains a destabilising
influence to the flow
of oil to international markets
from the Middle East' and
because this is an unacceptable
risk to the US 'military intervention'
is necessary.

Vice-president Dick Cheney, who
chairs the White House Energy Policy
Development Group, commissioned a
report on 'energy security'
from the Baker
Institute for Public Policy,
a think-tank set up by James Baker,
the former US secretary of state
under George Bush Snr.

click my name for a quick link
to the full article
http://www.sundayherald.com/print28285
more-than-meets-the-eye
- Wednesday, February 12, 2003 at 16:13:01 (CST)

international news is reporting
that north korea has a one million
man strong army. this army is well trained
and armed with the latest in
technological warfare.
that there has been no monitoring
of the korean weapons capabilities
since the un inspectors were
kicked out of the country in
dec 2002.
yeah..sodamn insane is the
big threat. his bombs can reach
the usa. he has one million
well trained soldiers with modern
arms at his disposal..

and now we know why the usa
is still talking to korea, but
is willing to bomb iraq with it's
depleted and outdated weapons.
bullies always do things like
this..suck up to their equals and
beat up on the weaklings.
oh..yeah..makes one proud
to be american ..don't it?

more-than-meets-the-eye
- Wednesday, February 12, 2003 at 15:27:41 (CST)

who says the isreali's didn't
alert the government. how do we know
the government didn't know about
the attacks.
bushita and mafia wanted an excuse to
attack afghanistan, and now it has
afghanistan, it wants iraq.

btw..international news is reporting
that korea quite possibly has intercontinetal
ballistic missles that should be able
to reach seattle, los angeles.
nukes ppl..nukes aimed at western
american cities.

hmm..whose is more of a danger
to the usa?
sodamn insane, korea..or bushwhacko and company?
and lets not forget binny boy's lads.

geez..it would be nice if american media
would report these things..ya know.
it could give us time to duck and cover
just like when cuba was a threat.
more-than-meets-the-eye
- Wednesday, February 12, 2003 at 14:58:05 (CST)

Some of us wonder even more so now
about the theory, that maybe the U.S. did in fact
have knowledge, or a part in 9/11.

Theories abound, remote control? the biggest hoax?

Several people wonder why the Jewish ( Israel ) intelligence
did nothing to prevent, or alarm
the U.S. as it WELL KNOWN, they
had prior knowledge of
9/11.

At the least, we should deport the Isreal intelligency for this.

And who voted to increase the taxpayers money
we give Isral, from 3 billion to 14 billion?

It appears Bush want the U.S. to control the world,
or destroy America, doing it.
Ronne
- Wednesday, February 12, 2003 at 13:57:22 (CST)

Full Spectrum Conspiracy?
by Joy-Ann Lomena Reid
click my name for a link to
a pdf document that was written
in 1997 and published in 2000. it shows that this impending
invasion of iraq has been on the
american military agenda for quite some
time.
it has nothing to do with 9/11, al quaeda,
or sodamn insane. it is just part
of neoconservative/neo nazi plan
to take over the world.
here's what the author of the article
has to say.
The narrative for the plot comes in
the form of a report drawn up in 2000 by
the neo-conservative Project for
the New American Century (PNAC), a
think-tank peopled by Cheney, Rumsfeld,
Wolfowitz, Florida Governor Jeb
Bush (the president's brother,)
Lewis "Scooter" Libby (Cheney's
chief of staff) and others.
The document was entitled
Rebuilding America's Defenses: Strategies,
Forces And Resources For A New Century,
and it was published in
September 2000 -- a full year
before the 9/11 attacks.

The document maps out a "proposed"
global strategy for America in the
21st century -- and its tenets
are being followed almost to the
letter by the current Bush administration.
One of the report's more prescient statements
reads: "The United States has for
decades sought to play a more permanent
role in Gulf regional security.
While the unresolved conflict with
Iraq provides the immediate
justification, the need for a
substantial American force presence
in the Gulf transcends the issue
of the regime of Saddam Hussein."

It pointedly asserts that the
U.S. should put boots on the
ground in Iraq, even if
Saddam Hussein steps down or
is overthrown.

so there ya have it folks.
9/11 is being used as an
emotional excuse to rally
the people behind an attack on iraq.

interesting reading that document.
you'll need adobe acrobat to do so
you can download it free from
http://www.adobe.com
click on my name to fast
link to this historical document
plotting the overthrow of iraq
well before 9/11.

more-than-meets-the-eye
- Wednesday, February 12, 2003 at 11:54:30 (CST)

Published on Monday,
February 10, 2003 by the
San Francisco Chronicle
Declaring a Just War?
by Scotty McLennan
Basic moral and spiritual values
are the lifeblood of this country,
and without them the American way
of life itself is in grave peril.
We must not go to war with Iraq.

Scotty McLennan is dean for religious
life at Stanford University. As Garry
Trudeau's roommate at Yale,
he served as the model for Doonesbury's
Rev. Scot Sloan.

click my name for a quick link to the
story.
more-than-meets-the-eye
- Wednesday, February 12, 2003 at 11:19:07 (CST)

"If You Want To Win An Election,
Just Control The Voting Machines"
by Thom Hartmann
The respected Washington, DC publication
The Hill (www.thehill.com/news/012903/hagel.aspx)
has confirmed that former
conservative radio talk-show host
and now Republican U.S. Senator Chuck
Hagel was the head of, and continues
to own part interest in, the company
that owns the company that installed,
programmed, and largely ran the
voting machines that were used
by most of the citizens of Nebraska.

click my name for a direct link to the full story.
more-than-meets-the-eye
- Wednesday, February 12, 2003 at 11:08:51 (CST)

well, well look what reuters..an
international news service has
to say about bin laden's tape.
Bin Laden Labels Saddam an Infidel -
Jazeera TV
click my name for a quick link to the story
more-than-meets-the-eye
- Wednesday, February 12, 2003 at 10:51:55 (CST)

well patsy's back in town.
what makes you so sure i'm not
in the us of a? because i speak out
against our gov? right to do so is
anti-american. bush baby says so.
americans have every right to critize
the country and the president.
no one has to leave if they disagree.
in fact it is a patriots duty to speak out.
"To announce that there must be no criticism of the President,
or that we are to stand by the President,
right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and
servile,
but is morally treasonable
to the American public."
-Theodore Roosevelt, 1918

my reasons for speaking out.
"Individuals have international duties
which transcend the national
obligations of obedience.
Therefore [individual citizens]
have the duty to violate domestic
laws to prevent crimes
against peace and humanity
from occurring"
--Nuremberg War Crime Tribunal, 1950

the media manipulation by the
bushwhacko's has created a state
of fear among the ppl.
"Naturally the common people don't want war: Neither in Russia, nor in
England, nor for that matter in Germany. That is understood. But, after
all, it is the leaders of the country who determine the policy and it
is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a
democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist
dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to
the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell
them they are being attacked, and denounce the peacemakers for lack of
patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in
any country."
Hermann Goering, at the Nuremberg Trials - 1945.

so..patsy..there are my reasons
for being here..my purpose.
that and i hope to wake ppl up
and get them moving to IMPEACH BUSH!!

scroll way down or use your find in page
feature. my reason has not changed since
i began posting here a few months
ago.

its called wake up america, bush is neo nazi facist
dictator. read the constitution. read the patriot act.
read the homeland security act.

and then tell me i haven't lost
my right to speak out freely.
tell me i've nothing to be
concerned about.
anyone heard anything about
sean penn? where is he?
he was only supposed to be in
iraq for a short time.
and that was a month ago..

more-than-meets-the-eye
- Wednesday, February 12, 2003 at 10:10:09 (CST)

To American Freedom:

MTMTE says " I bought in to the DC brainwash bullshit /Bushwhacco, etc." And your a "blooming idiot" and "Freedumb". The name calling comes from getting her ass whipped in a intellectual debate.

Her knowledge of my country's origan gives her the edge to dig at the inside politics of the USA but at the same time leaving herself immune from such attacks. She is the equivalent of the prank phone caller. "I know your number but you don't know mine."

So Why doesn't she say where she is from?

GUIDELINE FOR THE RULES OF PERSUASION (borrowed from her own post) 3.do not falsely represent yourself
4. Do not conceal your purpose or interest.

MTMTE does not reveal her whereabouts because to do so would be to reveal her sources of information. And just like the Wizard of OZ, once the curtain is drawn her argument turns to shit. Her reason for not revealing her country of origan is the "Homeland Security Act". � She believes she could be jailed for her radical thoughts. (WHAT A BIG HORSE LAUGH)
America is a land of free thinkers. That is one of the things that make us so great. I suspect that her information comes from right wing militias right here in the United States. Their books and pamphlets distribute fiction for facts.
Their authors pretend to be well informed until you see them in person on the Jerry Springer Show with their hillbilly ass and rebel flag.

If NOT she comes from the UK and her resentment comes from America's great wealth. Some Europeans see us as the greedy, glutinous, Americans. My answer to them is build a better mouse trap for a better price and the people will buy it.

Anyway I got to go. Today is a busy day for me so I'll have to come back some other time. Thanks Freedom, I do enjoy your post.

To MTMTE....before we hear your spill about the Homeland security act let me tell you, If you WERE a threat to the USA, We know WHO and WHERE you are already. We are the country that sent a un-manned guided missile up the ass of a high ranking terrorist in Yemen.

I sure hope we got it on tape cuz it will be a blast to see later. "Bin Laden's Funniest Moments"
TEXAS PATRIOT
USA - Wednesday, February 12, 2003 at 08:31:18 (CST)

Well if it isn't Osama.
Talking from the cave. His
timing couldn't be perfict.

If he does not help the war
effort no one can.

Thanks Osama.

That little coward asking others to be marters while he
hides in a cave. I can't wate for the war to begin. I cant
wate till they catch the little creep. It is only a
matter of time before his number is up. In the mean time it is going to be
Saddam's time.

I would like to post what I would do to Osama if he were
under my supervision, but I am a Christian.

LET THE BOMBING BEGIN!

Frank
UT, KT - Wednesday, February 12, 2003 at 08:15:07 (CST)

More-than:
"but, what can i expect..look at the number of
ppl who fell for orsen welles
war of the world radio broadcast
in 1939. the same mentality showed
itself again with the blair witch
project."

Isn`t it incredible how much power belief can unleash?
Now imagine a circle of people sharing their belief in their art, then fostering belief in others, MANY others, over a long period of time.
That creates power, a lot of it. It is sublime and it takes a long time to build up, but that`s just what makes it so powerful.
Ever wonder why the Jews where hunted throughout the ages?
Knowledge.
Hybrid
- Wednesday, February 12, 2003 at 02:25:55 (CST)

and how deep is the river?
think about that..and i'm powering
down this machine too.
more-than-meets-the-eye
- Wednesday, February 12, 2003 at 00:59:08 (CST)

I concur Joe.
American freedom
- Wednesday, February 12, 2003 at 00:58:13 (CST)

good night joe.
yours has been one of the more
intelligent discussions i've had
with hawk side.

just remember that because i'm
a dove doesn't mean i'm a pigeon.

more-than-meets-the-eye
- Wednesday, February 12, 2003 at 00:56:30 (CST)

Couldn't resist one more comment. More than meets the eye,
take a look at a map. Iraq is not landlocked. Look closely at their border with
Kuwait and where the Tigris and Euphrates Rivers empty
into the Pusian Gulf.

See ya
American Joe
Seattle, USA - Wednesday, February 12, 2003 at 00:52:19 (CST)

more-than, look at a map. Iraq is not land-locked. they did not have many subs, but they did have a few during the Gulf War. Not sure if they're still around now.
American freedom
- Wednesday, February 12, 2003 at 00:51:39 (CST)

Uh...for the record, because I support current U.S. policy
on Iraq does not mean I am a neo-conservative/neo nazi.
Far right politicians actually annoy the hell out
of me. I am sickened by Bush's environmental policies-- reversing environmental
legislation that goes back decades, using forest fires
to justify expansion of clear-cut logging, pushing for
drilling in ANWR, etc...
But, I have the ability to look at each issue at hand,
and I have to say that regarding Iraq, the Bush
Admin is displaying leadership and courage in
moving forward with the tough
decisions. We have had a policy of regime change in
Iraq since 1998, not 2001.

One more thing before I sign off for good: The biggest
reason why U.S. aid often fails to actually help people
in Latin Amer. and Africa is because the aid is grossly
mismanaged by the corrupt governments we are trying to
aid. Of the billions of dollars we have given to
Columbia to fight their own terrorism and illigal drug
trade, 95% of it has ended up in the Swiss Bank Accounts of
a few corrupt Columbian officials--not America's fault. And, where have we
gotten the idea the America has an inherent responsibility
to help other nations at all? You know, we're damned if
we do and we're damned if we don't.

Anyway, thanks for the discussion and adios.

American Joe
Seattle, USA - Wednesday, February 12, 2003 at 00:47:55 (CST)

ah yes, a.freedumb. the kurds live
in northern iraq..and they were
gassed along with the iranians.
care to try to tell me something
like i don't know..like where are
the iraqi's docking those submarines?
iraq is land locked.
one reason they went after
kuwait to get a seaport.

anyhow..its getting late here.
if i want anymore fairy tales..i'll
let ya know..
in the meantime..i'll
toddle off towards bed..and
try to dream that soon more
american patriots will awaken
and shake off the stupor of american
nationalism.

more-than-meets-the-eye
- Wednesday, February 12, 2003 at 00:46:52 (CST)

more-than, how old were you during the Gulf War? Did you know Saddam sent 10's of SCUD missiles into neutral
Israel? Israel did not retaliate. America told them not to and they kept cool. They took it. It was
completely ONE SIDED against them.
American freedom
- Wednesday, February 12, 2003 at 00:41:56 (CST)

ah..yes the scared little isreali's
are taking on the big bad arab
world all by themselves.
here's a recent email i received.
Sent: Sunday, February 09, 2003 9:18 PM
Subject: Those infamous PATRIOTS...

BUSH SR. lied abt. the Patriot missiles ;
what is next? More lies is my guess!!!

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Israel tests shield against possible Iraqi attack
Last Updated Mon, 06 Jan 2003 11:33:07
JERUSALEM - Israel sent some rockets into the air and a message speeding to
Saddam Hussein Sunday, strongly suggesting that any missile attack by Iraq
could be repelled.

INDEPTH: Iraq: U.S. military buildup

.........................

Israel and the United States plan to test the entire Israeli missile defence
system in the coming days, including several batteries of U.S.-made Patriot
missiles deployed in recent months.

>>>>>>>> The Patriot system was largely ineffective at shooting down
incoming Scuds during the Gulf War, but has been improved since then.
<<<<<<<<<<<<<

http://cbc.ca/stories/2003/01/05/israel_arrow030104
click on my name for a quick link to the url
more-than-meets-the-eye
- Wednesday, February 12, 2003 at 00:38:56 (CST)

more-than, do you know who else lives in northern Iraq? The Kurds. Except they've ALWAYS lived there. "wake up" haha ok.
American freedom
- Wednesday, February 12, 2003 at 00:38:46 (CST)

where exactly are the iraqi's docking
these russian submarines..ah right they are
ships of the desert.

you'd better do a little more surfing.

both america and russia are responsible for the formerly
heavy armed iraq. iraq's military weapons are depleted, and
aged. there have been significant controls regarding
weaponry getting into that country since the sanctions.

if the above statement wasn't
true..you could bet your bottom dollar
powell would have trooped out the
info before the security council.
instead he used stale dated
satellite photos and a decade old
university student's thesis with
beefed up brit intelligence language.

more-than-meets-the-eye
- Wednesday, February 12, 2003 at 00:34:51 (CST)

the Arabs completely surround Israel. who do you think is more scared? Israel is one Jewish country on practically an Arab continent.
American freedom
- Wednesday, February 12, 2003 at 00:33:13 (CST)

Indonesia did not invade Singapore. Indonesia is not researching nuclear weapons.
American freedom
- Wednesday, February 12, 2003 at 00:30:13 (CST)

indonesia has ties with terrorist
activities already.
the world turned a blind eye
to their genocide.
click on my name for a link to several
news stories.

there are many, many despotic
rulers on this planet.

there are many countries with
weapons of mass distruction.

why isn't the usa disarming isreal?
they attack their neighbors. the arabs
are scared sh*tless of them.
especially, since big brother
uncle SHAM is on their side.
more-than-meets-the-eye
- Wednesday, February 12, 2003 at 00:28:00 (CST)

more-than, are you aware that the Iraqi military is ALMOST ENTIRELY COMPOSED OF RUSSIAN WEAPONS??

MiG-29's are RUSSIAN, more-than, not American.
T-72's and T-62 tanks are RUSSIAN, more-than.
Kilo-class submarines are RUSSIAN, more-than. Not American.
Do you seriously think SCUD missiles are American, more-than?
The list goes on. IRAQ'S MILITARY COMES FROM RUSSIA.

Maybe instead of North Korea you should go move to Russia and complain to their government and see what
happens to you. We'll see if you have as much fun as you're having now.

more-than, I am disappointed that you did not know this after you claim to know so much.
American freedom
- Wednesday, February 12, 2003 at 00:27:55 (CST)

err
a.freedom
al qaeda is in iraq..in the safety of
the northern no-fly zone. sodamn insane
can't go there. its protected by
america..wake up little rose bud..
you're becoming a bloomin idiot.
more-than-meets-eye
- Wednesday, February 12, 2003 at 00:19:58 (CST)

more-than, think about what you're saying. America would invade Indonesia if factories were shut down? Or Indonesia
develops closer ties to terrorist organizations and then builds up an army, invades Singapore, is forced
out, gathers radical Jihad support, and breaks terms of the cease fire to begin researching nuclear weapons?

Which scenario do you honestly believe?

Sweat shops are a different subject, and I am all for helping to form an international labor union.
But that is a whole different topic and has nothing to do with Iraq.
American freedom
- Wednesday, February 12, 2003 at 00:18:54 (CST)

ah..the anfal operations.
correct me if i'm wrong..but i think
the bbc4's production of
between iraq and a hard place
explained what happened with the good
old usa at the time.
begin excerpt.
KRISHNAN GURU-MURTHY:
But they say that�s because you�re a brutal dictator,
that you torture and kill people.

SADDAM:
The Americans, the British, they always know
this, but still they give me weapons,
they give me credit.

KRISHNAN GURU-MURTHY:
They actually gave you credit?

SADDAM:
How do you think I buy the weapons.
They lend me money. I�m not stupid.
Everyone give me weapons. French.
Germans, British. One year before
Gulf War, America sent me helicopter
engines, communications equipment,
21 batches of lethal anthrax strains,
and hundreds of tons of Sarin nerve
gas, from the Americans.
Before I took over Kuwait in
1990 I meet American Ambassador, I
say, �You got a problem with this?�
She say �We have no opinion on your
Arab-Arab conflicts�.

KRISHNAN GURU-MURTHY:
Even Kuwait?

SADDAM:
Especially Kuwait. They said so
specifically. So I invade Kuwait,
and Oy! Gewalt!

KRISHNAN GURU-MURTHY:
And all of that after they knew
you�d used chemical weapons against
the Kurds?

SADDAM:
Just before I crushed the rebellious
Kurds in Halabja, the British even
send their best man.

KRISHNAN GURU-MURTHY:
Their best man?

SADDAM:
Well no actually it was David Mellor.

JOHN FORTUNE:
Yes, in 1988 David Mellor went to
discuss trade with Saddam, shortly
afterwards Saddam killed 5.000 of
his own people in a gas attack
on Halabja. Shortly after that,
Britain approved an extra �340m of
credit, and the Americans lent
him another �1 billion dollars.
We�ve been a feature of his life
for years.

click my name for a quick link to this
bbc4 production. it is informative and funny.

more-than-meets-the-eye
- Wednesday, February 12, 2003 at 00:15:20 (CST)

actually the whole world knows about the most recent bid Saddam gave to terrorists--he announced it publically
himself several months ago. I remember the number being at least $2500 though there may be more zeros there. It
was for families of suicide bombers. He publically instructed them to continue their fight.

no, i did not get them mixed up with al qaida, who is now living safely in northern Iraq, unpursued by the regime that harbors them.
American freedom
- Wednesday, February 12, 2003 at 00:07:17 (CST)

why don't we go after saudi arabia
well gee we've already got trade deals going on.
happy trade deals. no need to punch out the saudi's.

hm..indonesia..ah yes right, they supply happy little
sweat shop workers to make good
ole clothing, toys, shoes for the us's
consumers..we've got happy little
trade deals there too.

hey we even have happy little trade deals right here
in the good ole us of a..yup.
ppl in prisons are contracted out to
work for less than minimum wage to corporations.
meanwhile, union workers are laid off because of shortage work in neighboring towns.

yeah..the american way..ain't great
profit before ppl.
blow em up if they get in the way.
offer em the golden carpet or the nuclear carpet.

either way the new world order is coming down.

you know, the ppl in nazi germany thought
hitler was great dude too. and then it was too
late.
more-than-meets-the-eye
- Wednesday, February 12, 2003 at 00:00:21 (CST)

The contras and the CIA. Do you have to go all the way back there? You point to any country I can show you
organizations that they supported that were just as bad. You completely assume the fact that the Cold War
had nothing to do with it, too. That's interesting. Every country has supported something like an African tribe or Carribean royalty
that turned around and did vicious things. Every country has a conspiracy. Not every country has free
speech. Ours are in the front window for everyone to look at. Get real. If you want to talk about that
stuff, why do you ignore things like the Anfal Operations?
American freedom
- Tuesday, February 11, 2003 at 23:56:47 (CST)

you "seem" to know a lot about
the palestinian situtation. what are your
sources that sodamn insane is sending them
weapons and thousands of dollars..or did you
slip up and mean al qaeda?
hey..you must know about the
6 million jews hitler killed.
what can you tell me about the 9 million
plus ukranians that died in the
early 1930's?
why don't we hear about that genocide.
its just a conspiracy theory too..right.
wrong.
more-than-meets-the-eye
- Tuesday, February 11, 2003 at 23:54:14 (CST)

more-thatn, you are so predictable. I had already answered your question before you even asked it:

"why is the usa not freeing the ppl
in indonesia? saudi arabia?"

I bet you feel clever, but I've heard that 10 million times. Pay attention. When
did Indonesia start to research nuclear weapons? Or Saudi Arabia? And in case you
haven't noticed, Saudi Arabia has much more oil than Iraq. Pakistan already has nukes. But Pakistan does not give
them to terrorists and does not use them for blackmail.

Obviously you assume that if Saddam acquired nukes, he wouldn't send them to Palestinian suicide bombers
like he's sent them 10s of thousands of dollars and weapons for the intended use of terrorism. And then you
blame others for putting their trust in people like Colin Powell. Do you realize what a joke you are?

Anyway, go ahead and throw some more names and conspiracy crap at me. You'll find me in the real world.
American freedom
- Tuesday, February 11, 2003 at 23:49:10 (CST)

a.freedom when the usa invades
a latin american or african country to
"save" the ppl the ppl are seldom saved.
the contra's backed by the CIA were skinning
ppl alive.

america has enough resources to
spend billions of dollars annually on
defense..even before 9/11.

as for having to go to n. korea i don't need to
waste my money. i can get the same
despotic treatment right here
at home..yup..thanks to the homeland security
and patriot acts.

and isn't amazing how the neo conservative, neo nazi's
instantly cry conspiracy theory or tree huggin' liberals
when someone puts forward a fact that doesn't agree with
their programming.
tell me..have you ever even tried to surf for the bilderbergers?
tell what you know about them?

then maybe, i'll start to consider your
nationalist defensive rantings as perhaps being somewhat
informed.

american joe..you almost come across has being reasonable.
we agree that using religion as means to justify this
war is stupid and misleading. that because of religion
more ppl have died on this planet in its constant game
of my invisible friend is better than your invisible friend.

more-than-meets-the-eye
- Tuesday, February 11, 2003 at 23:48:51 (CST)

bob: You appear to not be a conspiracy theory crack-pot,
and your arguments are reasonable. I'm surprised you
take what Iraq says at face value. Since when have they been
truthful? So, they say they won't use chemical weapons if
we don't invade. Maybe, but I'd rather not take that chance.
As for Bush's statement that "the game is over," he is referring to the game that
Saddam is playing, and has been
playing for the last 12 years.
American Joe
Seattle, USA - Tuesday, February 11, 2003 at 23:38:07 (CST)

bob,
the sad thing it is just a game
to those in power. they stand
very little risk of being physically
involved in a conflict or even
being at risk, except for the
occasional assination attempt.
sodamn is more at risk than
bush..sodamn has a lot of ppl who
want to see him gone. the jerk is
smart tho..he offed most of the
opposition in the early years of
his rise to power.

bush is smart to. he has surrounded
himself with ppl who are involved
with corportate oil interests, and
many of them also served the nixon
administration. they were younger, but
they learned the ropes. they are
now back in power to complete what
nixon started.

isn't it amazing..just before
the november 5th election..ooops..
the long dead osama bin laden's
voice is heard via an audio tape.

bush runs around the country
speaking for republican candidates
and spouting war talk.

at first, it wasn't known for sure if
it was bin laden..then the cia gave it
a big thumbs up..yup..bennie's alive and
making terrorist noises again.

all the american technology was brought
into play..yup..that's benny they said.
but, how much did you hear about
the swiss? they listened to the
recording too. they used the same
high tech gizmos..and guess.
they don't think it was benny.

now, bush is trying to rally support
for war because he means to attack iraq
in the next few weeks..and poof
another benny tape surfaces.
how convenient is that.

amazing..rent the movie wag the
dog.

but, what can i expect..look at the number of
ppl who fell for orsen welles
war of the world radio broadcast
in 1939. the same mentality showed
itself again with the blair witch
project.

more-than-meets-the-eye
- Tuesday, February 11, 2003 at 23:33:46 (CST)

I see. so "ppl" in countries like latin america and africa are "supposed" to have their lifestyles improved by
America, and if they're not, it's our fault. Ignore the fact that America always helps them out more than any
other country. Ignore the fact that America is the first to be there when earthquakes rip up latin
america. Ignore the fact that America has sent more aid to Africa than all other countries combined, and that
50% of all international aid comes from America. Yet it's somehow America's fault if they don't get enough aid?

Tell me who is ignorant again?

more-than, you dismiss ethnic cleansing and genocide that happened in Kosovo, claiming we got involved only to "open
trade routes", WHILE you also complain that the American government is walking all over your civil rights by
enforcing new regulations to apprehend terrorists.

Tell me who is arrogant again?

You think you're on some big rightous mission. You see yourself as brave for voicing descent against a country
that enforces freedom of speech. There are few things that will fix your screwed up state of mind, but try this
one: go live in North Korea for a few years, and feel free to voice your opinion over there. Then come back
and tell us all what it was like. I mean, if you're alive, out of prison, and still feeling brave enough to
take one step outside.

Get a clue.
American freedom
- Tuesday, February 11, 2003 at 23:32:00 (CST)

More than meets the eye: Actually as of yesterday, six
Australians have joined the lawsuit you mentioned, not one. To be more specific, the multi-trillion dollar class action
suit is a court action that has been taken by families of victims of
the Sept 11 attack. They are suing wealthy Saudi individuals, banks, corps, and Islamic charities who they
believe have financed Al Qaida. I am all for it. As for the statement that all Australia did was produce a 5-page doc on the Bali attack and then
closed the file and moved on--that's laugh out loud material. Australian intelligence agencies, such as the ASIO, are all over that issue, and Australia and Indonesia are on
a relentless joint effort to identify and find those murderers. So, we "pillaged" Kosovo to keep the trade route between the Middle East
and Europe open? In a round-a-bout sort of way, I guess keeping Kosovo a free society keeps free trade open with them. Not sure how that's a bad thing or how exactly that constitutes a pillaging of Kosovo...
I bet if we asked the people of Kosovo which life they would prefer, they are pretty glad we helped them out. Why do we pick and choose which conflicts to get involved in?
Because we have to. If the U.N. body is concerned more about human abuses, maybe the other members of the U.N. would have pulled their weight and intervened in Rwanda. The U.S. can't babysit everyone, so unfortunately it has to decide which flare-ups are of most danger to the U.S. and the free world first and then which ones are purely a humanitarian catastrophe.
If the U.N. did it's job, they would step in where the U.S. cannot. The U.S. does not have limitless resources.
American Joe
Seattle, USA - Tuesday, February 11, 2003 at 23:27:29 (CST)

and how have the ppl in latin american
counties had their livestyles
improved by american involvement?
tell me about africa?

an isolated group of ppl increase
their livestyle. the majority
do not.

we live in a democracy right
now it's almost an even split as
to oo to war. if more ppl knew
about the oil involvement that
percentage would shift overwhelmingly
to non support of going to war.

europe is more aware of what
america is doing than most
americans. they are not fed
CNN or MSNBC as a steady diet.

you can delude yourself as much
as you want. the majority of
ppl if they knew the truth would
we working day and night to
impeach bush.

it has been asked why don't the
iraqi ppl just overthrow sodamn insane?

they don't rise up against him
because they are under sanctions.
they spend their time scrambling
for food and fresh water. as much
as the government will allow them
to access, and as much as there
is a supply. the supplies are low
because of the sanctions.

the iraqi ppl don't want sodamn, and they
don't want to be bombarded by the usa
in the guise of "we're here to help you"
but we'll just swing a few deals
so we have unfettered access to your
oil.

the pillaging of kosovo was
done in the name of making sure
that the trade route between europe
and the middle east was open.

it wasn't done in the name of human
rights. at the same time the
bosnian war was going on the
hutu's and tootsies (sp) were
at war. over 500,000 ppl died
there.

no america picks and chose who
its going to "aid" give the profit
margin.

why is the usa not freeing the ppl
in indonesia? saudi arabia?
pakistan? they all have despotic
rulers. they have thousands
of potical prisoneers. as do many
of the latin american countries.

think about that..listening
to other countries news reports
is something even the main steam
media does..i know..i used to work
in it.

i refused to sell out to the lies.
i refused to be part of the propaganda
machine.

wake up the new world order is
coming down.

more-than-meets-the-eye
- Tuesday, February 11, 2003 at 22:59:01 (CST)

The president tells us that ''the game is over.'' This is distressing news indeed. We've been playing a game? At a cost of several billion dollars and the lives of untold numbers of men, women and children?

Not to mention the vast destruction of land, property and air quality that will ensue � nor the unknown effects of retaliation against our country, whether by Iraqi troops or by terrorist groups who will be incensed by our decision to start another war in the Middle East.

The president's justification � what has driven the final decision to call up the 101st Airborne � is that the Iraqi government has announced it will use chemical weapons on U.S. troops if we invade Iraq. If your neighbor told you he would shoot you if you crossed the boundary onto his property, would you use this as a reason to do so? This is exactly the same logic.

The Iraqi announcement implies that they will not use chemical weapons if we don't attack. This is good news. No attack, no chemical weapons.

What a travesty that our government is operating by this logic.

bob
- Tuesday, February 11, 2003 at 22:48:41 (CST)

And, the Australian Prime Minister, John Howard, announced last night that he
supports the U.S. policy. Maybe More than meets the eye
can suggest an alternative to the U.S. policy? Unless he/she/they actually believe
Saddam Hussein is not a threat and that the world at large and the Iraqi
people are better off with him in power. We didn't have U.N. support when we rescued the people of Kosovo from another mad-man--Milosovic, and Russia vehemently dissagreed with us on that
one. But, that turned out for the better in the long-run I would say. More than meets the eye, when do you
think America is going to pillage Kosovo? You advocate getting your information from
non-mainstream sources because non-mainstream sources can be as biased as they want, and that allows you to pick and choose which sources fall in line with your way of thinking, and then you take it as the truth? Get real.
American Joe
Seattle, USA - Tuesday, February 11, 2003 at 20:51:06 (CST)

want to access international radio
news audio on your computer?

visit world radio news/network.
click my name for a direct link.
many of these international stations have
english productions.
russia also stands behind germany and france.
the majority of aussies oppose their government's
support of america in the war.
the aussie prime minister is in the
united states right now in war conference
with bush.
one of the parents of the aussies who
died in bali is part of a class action
suit to have the incident fully investigated.
the aussie gov. produced a five page document
and then closed its file on the case.

fed up with being fed propaganda in
america.
visit:
http://www.fair.org/media-contact-list.html
home page
http://www.fair.org
what is FAIR?
FAIR, the national media watch group,
has been offering well-documented
criticism of media bias and censorship
since 1986. We work to invigorate
the First Amendment by advocating
for greater diversity in the press and
by scrutinizing media practices that
marginalize public interest, minority and
dissenting viewpoints.
As an anti-censorship organization,
we expose neglected news stories
and defend working journalists
when they are muzzled.
As a progressive group, FAIR believes
that structural reform is
ultimately needed to break up
the dominant media conglomerates,
establish independent public broadcasting
and promote strong non-profit sources of
information.

click my name to access international audio
news broadcasts. get news that
hasn't been white washed by the
american media.
more-than-meets-the-eye
- Tuesday, February 11, 2003 at 20:25:58 (CST)

dagny: totally agree with you
on religious fanaticism and
it's common mistreatment of
women. Although I believe it's
time to get rid of Sadaam and
help the Iraqi people enjoy
freedom, I cringe every time
I hear George Bush make
religious remarks within the
context of the Iraq conflict.
I don't agree that all organ-
ized religion is bad, just
religious fanaticism. Bush
is not a religious fanatic,
but he needs to be smarter in
understanding how his
religious remarks are mis-
construed by those who are
looking for any excuse to
turn this issue into a
religiously based conflict.
It is not. It is a world
security issue, with human rights concerns. It's strange how many
of the people who are against removing Sadaam Hussein claim
to be human rights advocates. Unfortunately,
Sadaam is too entrenched and
his security is too elaborate
for the Iraqi people to stage
a successful revolution on their own. We need to step in and get it
done. Our reason is national
defense and defense of our
allies, but better human
conditions in Iraq are a
positive result. There are
a lot of simple-minded people
who believe the Bush Admin
is going to war just because
they "want" war with Iraq,
and they want to "loot" Iraq, etc... War is rarely so black and white, and America
has to make the tough
decisions. The world was
lenient with Hitler prior to
WWII. WWII could have been
avoided with reasonable,
proactive, preemptive action
to prevent the POSSIBILITY of
a mad-man's atrocities.

American Joe
Seattle, USA - Tuesday, February 11, 2003 at 20:07:04 (CST)

wow. what a strange time we live in. a time where men and women, world wide, are held in a prison. a prison around their minds. it's called organized religion. it makes you do things you would never do otherwise. it makes you hate those whose beliefs are different than your own. it makes men compelled, (or maybe just gives them the excuse) to control and dominate women. throughout history, all the most heinous acts commited have been in the name of god. it continues, still. mostly, these acts have been against women. look at history. there were villages in germany in the 16th and 17th centuries that murdered all the women, for fear they were witches. then of course, we have the spanish inquistions. very pleasant time. want someone's land or property? accuse them of being a heretic. it got them out of the way in a hurry. how about ww2? let's murder all the artists and intellectuals who don't agree with us, and wipe out 6 million jews along the way. that leads us to now. muslum nations completely dehumanize women. they are mutilated, have no rights, are brainwashed from birth to be subserviant. they tell women they have no souls. they treat their pets better. born again christians are no better. they murder doctors, nurses, or anyone who has the view that a woman should have control over her own body. catholics priests molest the very children they are sworn to lead and protect. everything that is ugly, and repulsive to us, seems to have something to do with god. maybe it's time we rethought god. maybe it's time we quit listening to religious leaders. finding god is like an intimate relationship. i'm sure you wouldn't want to walked through life being told how to have sex, so why do you want to be told how to find or how to serve god? suicide bombings? this will get you into heaven? if it wasn't happening, and if i read it in some cheasy novel, i would think it too ridiculous to believe. but it is taught to children as a way to get to heaven. we are only on this planet to learn and to grow. what you do in this life, has a direct effect on your next life. ever wonder why there are so many rats and cockroaches? every government leader, worldwide, claims god is on their side. god doesn't take sides. at least i don't think so. organized religion is to keep your mind in chains. it is to keep you from discovering what's really going on. organized religion is control of the masses. it is control of your mind. it is a prison you can't see,feel, touch or smell. control over other human beings is not holy. as long as you keep buying, they will keep selling it. as long as we are busy hating everyone who is different than we are, we won't look at them. who are they? the truth is out there. this is worldwide. you can find it. good luck.
dagny
- Tuesday, February 11, 2003 at 19:44:33 (CST)

I would like to repeat two of
the best quotes from this msg
board:

"Peace on earth will
only be reached when little
brats are eliminated." Ozzie

"Have a good look at what you
have and look very closely at
what you have to lose by playing into the hands of idiots that couldn't organize a descent shit." Ozzie and US Allience.

To the always humorous and fun-loving Ozzies, thank you and I hope you catch all those bastards that blew up the night club in Bali
American Joe
Seattle, USA - Tuesday, February 11, 2003 at 18:50:35 (CST)

It's entertaining reading the opinions of crack pot conspiracy theorists. I especially like the bantor about the American "pillaging" of Germany after WWII !! What a joke. If America were as imperialistic as these crack pots would have us believe, we would have actually claimed Germany and Japan as our own territory after the war, and put the Nazi's into their own death camps. Instead we started the long process to help Europe and Japan rebuild into the prosperous peaceful beautiful places they are today, with their own autonomous governments, free elections, and free trade. We also granded independence to the former American territory of the Philippines. Yes, we kept military bases there, of course. And, the governments of these countries receive the security blanket provided by the U.S. military as a result--at a fraction of the cost!! France and Germany can keep taking cheap shots at America, and then go hide under the security blanket provided by America. Our Ozzie friends seem to be a hell of a lot more courageous these days. There seems to be a belief that if America is prosperous, whether it's with a Kuwaiti oil contract, or some other business, that we are somehow pillaging the rest of the world. Whoever believes that crap would do well to take an introductory macroeconomics class. It doesn't work that way. Economic prosperity CREATES wealth. American prosperity has done far more to improve the overall standard of living in other countries, in more ways than one, than any other nation simply through the effects of our own economic success.
American Joe
Seattle, USA - Tuesday, February 11, 2003 at 17:56:55 (CST)

someone asked what happened to germany
after the war..did we drain their resources.
well, as there were several countries involved.
the resources were split up amongst the
victors..ever heard of east and west germany/berlin?
the americans certainly pillaged all the
military information they could.
there was a huge brain drain.
many of the nazi scientists found
a new home on american soil.

now, as to japan. well, i'm not really
too sure what happened there.
there was a significant military
influence that remained in japan
for a lot longer than the american
influence in germany.

america maintains military bases still to this
date in both germany and japan.

japan became a significant trading
partner with the usa. usually know
for their substandard quality of
merchandise..i.e. made in japan.
perhaps, this is where we "trained" to
live in a disposable economy.
nothing is really built to last
anymore. build it cheap and quick.
replace as necessary. during the 60's
we started to get flooded with
cheap light weight cars. with expensive
replacement parts.

anyhow..there appears to be
a significant amount of secrecy
regarding american/japanese relations
during the period after the war.
you see we didn't really want their
products..the gov wanted their
records/info to do with the unit 731
experiments.

hmm. desert storm..well, we didn't take over iraq
but we sure left an influence in kuwait.
i've not followed the oil trade deals between
kuwait and the corporate oil companies.
but, i'm willing to bet they were significant.
i wonder if there is still sideways drilling into
iraqi oilfiels?

you spell caballa ..kaballa
thanks, hybrid for the info on 9/11
interesting.

more-than-meets-the-eye
- Tuesday, February 11, 2003 at 12:54:57 (CST)

BREAKING NEWS - Fire at the White House!!

Breaking News:
Fire Damages Presidential Library

Washington, DC (Reuters) -- A tragic and sad fire
has destroyed the personal library of President George W. Bush.

Both of his books have been lost.

The president is reportedly devastated.
Apparently, he had not finished coloring the second one

oh..i do love the stuff i get via
email..
more-than-meets-the-eye
- Tuesday, February 11, 2003 at 12:21:43 (CST)

yeah, you're righ harry chaped.
someone has to pay for the bombing
of iraq..its the ppl who can least
afford it tho.
wait until they activate the draft.
you can make your silly comments about what
you and your buddies are going to do to capitalize
on the woe of the iraqi ppl.

i wonder if it just a sick sense
of humor..one way of venting
fear and worry. the same kind of
humor that appears with comments
that need another 7 astronauts.

humor has been known to be a
salvation to very morbid situations.

more-than-meets-the-eye
- Tuesday, February 11, 2003 at 12:19:00 (CST)

I know this guy from Iraq living in America. He is poor and used to get the Earned Income Credit. He told me
this year he will not get the credit because he made too
much money. I told him that he was riding on Uncle Sams
dime for a long time. Now he has to give a little back.

What can I say?

Someone has to pay for the bombing of Iraq.

George Cloony's fat harry chaped ass
- Tuesday, February 11, 2003 at 10:43:16 (CST)

Well Big Big American has lined up 5,485 investors for
my post Saddam Iraq.

We are talking big big cheese burger joints, shopping
centers, bowling allys, big big movie theaters, car
dealerships you name it. I am still working on the casinos.
I think the palices will come in handy.

I wonder if Saddam has packed his bags. If Big Big
Washington gets there first, Saddam will not need to pack
anything. You see when you are dead you don't need to
pack.

I will be so nice for the Iraqi people to have a real
government where the people have a real say in what goes on.

Little smelly Saddam's time is running out.

Big Big Big Big Big

Big American
Big Big City , Big Big Big State Big Big Big USA - Tuesday, February 11, 2003 at 10:37:19 (CST)

More-than:
Since you keep mentioning "the other" 9/11, here`s some extra Info:
People who are familiar with the Cabbala (don`t know if that`s the
correct english spelling) will notice a lot of other
interesting numbers.
This is particularly about the Number-Magic practiced in the Talmud; I will not go into greater detail about the theme as such, first because it would take far too long, but primarily because it is inappropriate to speak of such
things before those who do not seek
on their own.
Anyway, I`m not so much trying to tell you BushAndCo are active magicians. I`m going to show that the Cabbala
has definitely been a strong, if not decisive, influence on american politics for quite some time now.
Here we go:
On 9/11 1978 the treaty of Camp David was signed.
On 9/11 1990 Bush sr. held a speech in which he, for the first time, publicly demanded a "New world order".
9/11 2001 needs no further comments (btw: this was 23 years after Camp David. I`m not trying to tell some spooky Illuminati-Story, the 23 is a very significant number in the aforementioned art.)
On 9/11 1941 the foundation ceremony for the white house was held...and was celebrated with
some VERY special fireworks 60 years later...
( The widely known occult symbolism of the Pentagon must be noted too)
From the 11th of Sep, there are exactly 111 days till the end
of the year. This number is even MORE significant for somebody practicing the Cabbala.
Call me what you will, but these
things hold power. A lot of power.

Btw: Islamic fundamentalists would NEVER practice such numerical occultism as they consider it
a grave sin. This disqualifies a lot of the speculations whether or not OsamaAndCo had their fingers in 9/11/01.
Hybrid
- Tuesday, February 11, 2003 at 09:50:24 (CST)

To all you Yanks out there please support your country, don't play into the hands of sore loosers and whingers.
Don't forget you live in the best and most prosperous country in the world, don't abuse your rights. Can you immagine life without McDonalds, KFC and Burger King not to mention Hollywood the Simpsons, GM, Ford & Chrysler, let alone Amway the US Dollar Michael Jackson and Disneyland.
Have a good look at what you have and look very closely at what you have to lose by playing into the hands of idiots that couldn't organise a descent shit.
Ozzie & US Allience
Melbourne, Australia - Tuesday, February 11, 2003 at 04:07:51 (CST)

As for North Korea who are trying to be so tough and telling the world that any strike on their crappy nation would end in a neuclear war think again. North Korean citizens are poor, deprived and hardly feel like fighting for a lost cause. Their studens and poppulation are brainwashed daily, the media can only publish articles that have been sensored by the government. North Korea might have neuclear weapons to draw on but they shouldn't forget thet the US was, is and always will be one step ahead of them.
Even the Chinese and Russians are trying to tell them to settle down. Societies such as North Korea aren't needed by the civilised world, they are living on desciet and dreams not tolerated in todays society. The US and it's allies CAN fight on two or more fronts with decisive results. Peace on earth will only be reached when little brats are eliminated.
Proud Ozzie
Melbourne, Victoria Australia - Tuesday, February 11, 2003 at 03:33:34 (CST)

For the life of me I cannot work out why the people of Iraq still put up with a total tyrant like Saddam. We hear a lot of cries and please feel sorry for me from the Iraqi citizens but they are the only ones that can change thigs for the better. All this crap about not wanting war is a load of rubbish, if the Iraqi people can't decide between democratic and dictatorship rights then they have a massive problem which the US and its allies will rectify.
I don't like war either and the majority of the worlds poppulation would feel the same way, but when we see a total inconsidarate dictator playing silly games WAR is the only option to displace him. People of Iraq please wake up your leader is using you and keeping you in poverty while he and his bum lickers are enjoying the good life.
Frank <vvarga@bigpond.net.au>
Melbourne, Victoria Australia - Tuesday, February 11, 2003 at 02:53:00 (CST)

A MESSAGE FOR ALL WHO BADS MOUTH THE U.S.A. FIRST OFF FUCK YOU. YOU DONT KNOW THE FIRST THING ABOUT THE U.S.A. AND IF WE WANT TO BOMB A BITCH WE WILL. NO ONE I MEAN NO ONE IN THE CHAT OR WAHT EVER THE HELL IT IS CAN OR WILL STOP US. IF WANT TO CONQUROR THE WORLD WE WILL. ITS GOOD TO BE IN THE UNITED STATES ARMED FORCES. YOU CAN TALK ALL THE SMACK YOU WANT BUT YOU CANT BACK IT. I GET THE PRIVLEGE OF BACKING MINE UP. POSSIBLY IN Y0UR BACK YARD. AND TOO ALL YOU DUMB ASS STUPID ASS AMERCIANS IN HERE TALKING LIKE YOU LIKE YOU ARE A DAM ANTI-AMERCIAN. IT SHOULD OF BEEN YOU IN THE WORLD TRADE CENTER OR YOUR FAMILY ON THE COLE OR YOUR WIFE OR HUSBAND IN AFERCIA. I DONT HATE ANY ONE WHO DOSENT HATE ME CAUSE I AM AN AMERCIAN AND DAM PROUD CANT EVER TAKE THAT FROM ME. I LIVE IN THE BEST AND MOST POWERFUL, RICHEST EVEN THOGH I AM NOT RICH I AM HAPPY, THE MOST FREESET; IF THATS A DAM WORD; AND THE BEST NATION ON THE RAGEDY ASS PLANET. TO ALL OF YOU WHO WANT TO KILL US REMBER WE OWN YOU. SO CYA SOON I HOPE I PRAY IN YOUR TOWN SOON
FREEDOOM_FOR_ALL
- Tuesday, February 11, 2003 at 02:50:34 (CST)

so tell me again, where's all the oil we stole from Iraq in the first gulf war? or maybe that's not in your memory too
much because you were little tykes at the time. Anyone here know about the Anfal Operations? Or were you busy
playing ball? Anyone know of any other current world leaders who have practiced something like the Anfal
Operations and is researching nukes, that America is just ignoring? No. Snap out of it.
American freedom
- Tuesday, February 11, 2003 at 00:47:44 (CST)

many countries dismissed Powell's evidence before it was even presented. Fortunately there are many
countries with open minds, such as Spain, Italy, Bulgaria, and at least 10 more. Yeah yeah, I know. If
you agree with America then you're a puppet, no matter what. It's obvious who's closed-minded.
American freedom
- Tuesday, February 11, 2003 at 00:31:58 (CST)

Teis - Please stop. By your same standards I can call you arrogant/ignorant and then thank you for it. But
I don't want to sound like Pee-Wee Herman. Grow up.
American freedom
- Tuesday, February 11, 2003 at 00:26:33 (CST)

fool. Yes China has nukes. The current leader of China also has not launched invasions for the sake of
pure genocide. The current leader of China does not promote terrorism or aid terrorist causes.

more-than, a little thinking will go a long way. But if life is more exciting for you living in a world of paranoia
and assumptions, then at least keep it to yourself because you're not fooling anyone.
American freedom
- Tuesday, February 11, 2003 at 00:04:43 (CST)

No, I did not vote for Bush, and I probably will not vote for his re-election. But, I believe Gore would be doing basically the same thing. No, we will not be "taking" oil from the Iraqi people. Did we "take" everything from Germany and Japan after WWII? No, we helped them build a strong, free society. So Bush, Cheney and Rice have been in the oil business... So what? Just because they've been in the oil business does not mean their motives in this situation are automatically about oil. Anyway, let's assume that you are correct--that this IS about oil. Is the result any worse than the current situation? No. Will the Iraqi people have better lives? Probably. Will America, and Iraq's neighbors have to worry about Sadaam's plans with his weapons? No.
American Joe
Seattle, USA - Monday, February 10, 2003 at 23:52:08 (CST)

colin powell presented info
to the security council.
how well did his evidence stand
up..using these guidelines.
he Ethics of Persuasion: Some Guidelines

by Edward L. Bernays

1. Do Not Use False Evidence
2. Do Not Use Illogical, Unsupported Reasoning
3. Do Not Falsely Represent Yourself
4. Do Not Conceal Your Purpose or Interest
5. Do Not Cover Up Consequences
6. Do Not Use Baseless Emotional Appeals
7. Do Not Oversimplify Complex Situations
8. Do Not Pretend Certainty
9. Do Not Advocate What You Don't Believe Yourself
click my name for a quick link to the info.
more-than-meets-the-eye
- Monday, February 10, 2003 at 22:58:41 (CST)

are you anti-american? take
this quiz to find out how you rate.
click on my name for a quick link
more-than-meets-the-eye
- Monday, February 10, 2003 at 22:51:32 (CST)

Pakistani news agencies reported in the
weeks before September 11th that
America had threatened war against
the Taliban if they did not agree to
the pipeline deal.
"Accept our carpet of gold," the Bush
administration is reported to have
said, "or be buried under a carpet of
bombs."

At the same time, John O'Neill was quitting
his job in protest. A Deputy Director of the FBI,
O'Neill was America's chief bin Laden hunter. He had been in charge of the
investigations into the bin Laden-connected bombings of
the World Trade Center in 1993, the destruction of an
American troop barracks in Saudi Arabia in 1996, the African
embassy bombings in 1998, and the attack upon the U.S.S.
Cole in 2000. Simply put, no one person in America's
counter-terrorism apparatus knew more about Osama bin
Laden than John O'Neill.

Two weeks before September 11th, John O'Neill left the FBI
in anger and disgust. He believed his government was
actively hindering his ability to pursue dangerous Islamic
terrorists because such investigations were discomforting
Mideast regimes like the Taliban that were being courted by
American petroleum interests. Brisard and Dasique quote
O'Neill as saying, "The main obstacles to investigating
Islamic terrorism were U.S. oil corporate interests, and the
role played by Saudi Arabia in it." Connections between the
Taliban and Saudi Arabia, a nation bin Laden and a dozen of
the 9/11 hijackers once called home, are too glaring to
ignore.

Upon leaving the FBI, O'Neill took a position as head of
security for the World Trade Center, and was killed doing
his job on September 11th.

The implications of all this are profoundly disturbing. If
Brisard and Dasique are to be believed, the Bush
administration was actively courting the Taliban, protectors
of Osama bin Laden, on behalf of Unocal. That courtship
gave way to dire threats of war, believable enough that the
September 11th attack could well be seen as a pre-emptive
strike by bin Laden and the Taliban. Bin Laden's ability to
successfully attack the continental United States was made
far easier by the Bush administration's standing-down of
American anti-terrorism agents like John O'Neill, so as to
avoid discomforting the very regimes they were seeking to
bring into the pipeline deal.
click my name for a quick link to
the rest of the article
more-than-meets-the-eye
- Monday, February 10, 2003 at 22:34:13 (CST)

american joe
we agree..this situtation is not about religion
it is about oil tho.
i'm doing some surfing trying
to find mainstream news articles,
because some ppl will only accept
being spoonfed their diet of propaganda.
in he meantime here's a interesting
url. it asks some hard questions reqarding
9/11 and this impending war.
click my name for a quick link.

more-than-meets-the-eye
- Monday, February 10, 2003 at 22:18:56 (CST)

The facts are that most of the governments in the Middle East support the U.S. policy of regime change in Iraq.
Well and? Most of these governments are also dictatorships. If Bush was such a big freedomfighter
he would get rid of the corrupt regime in Saudi Arabia, but since they support him thats not gonna happen.
Right know our country is being run by the oilindustry, Dick Cheney is involved in Unocal, Exxon, Shell and Chevron.
Condoleeza Rice Chevron, the list is ongoing.
Wake Up!!! The wars about money, that Saddam is a dictator just gives us the right excuse to loot Iraq.
Back in the days he was our friend and now he's not.
Hmmm where can we find a new psychopat to back up? Maybe we should look to South America this time?
I don't think the Iraqi population will be better of with us talking their oil, with Saddam they at least get some of the money back.
It's some lame excuses you have for going to war, but hey you probably voted for Bush and that says it all.
George W. Bush - Like a rock, Only dumber!
Jimmy
- Monday, February 10, 2003 at 22:14:36 (CST)

I find it somewhat amusing that so many people seem to believe that religion is behind the motivation for the U.S. policy of regime change in Iraq--that it's really an agression by Jews and/or Christians against Muslims. Was it not just in 1999 that the U.S. came to the aid of the Muslim people in Kosavo and liberated them from the tyranny of the Christian Serbs? (this was done without UN support by the way). It's easy to take cheap shots at America. The American president is the one who, at the end of the day, must make the tough decisions while most of the rest of the world has the luxury of deciding whether or not to put themselves in harms way by siding with America or not. Of course America has done things in the past that has alienated groups of people or certain parts of the world. This is true of any world power throughout the history of the world. No leader, in any circumstance, can please everyone everywhere. When you net it all out, I strongly believe that America has created vastly more good things for this world than bad, and I believe we will continue to do so. The fact is Sadaam Husein is absolutely a threat to his neighbors, the U.S. and the rest of the world. The Iraqi people are much better off without him. He is a diagnosed psychopath with chemical weapons at his disposal, and there is a reason why the governments of Turkey, Iran, Kuwait, and Jordan, who all share a border with Iraq, support the U.S. policy of regime change. It seems that there are many Muslim people who are tunnel visioned on this being a Jewish vs Muslim war. That is just not true. My colleague recently visited Kuwait, Qatar, UAE and Egypt on business and he said the people he met were friendly and kind to him even though they new he was an American. I was encouraged by that. The majority of Americans, INCLUDING OUR PRESIDENT, want prosperity and freedom for the Muslim people of the Middle East. If people continue to insist on assuming this conflict has religious motives, then I would hope that they at least take a minute to try and figure out why their religion is superior, or more righteous than another. There is no religion that is superior or more righteous than another. Religious fanaticism is really a bizarre and barbaric human behavior because it is inherently self-destructive and illogical. This war is about nothing more than eliminating a threat and the continued effort to improve humanity. Kim Jong Il is just as bad, if not worse, than Sadaam Hussein, and I would expect the U.S. to again, make the courageous decision to lead the effort to stop the humanitarian catastrophe that Il has created in N. Korea and give the N. Korean people a chance at a decent life....again, not at all based on religion.
American Joe
Seattle, USA - Monday, February 10, 2003 at 22:12:13 (CST)

bush enron caspian afghanistan.
oh yeah and the bin ladin family
news tips sources.
click my name to get to this
link
http://www.buzzflash.com/contributors/2002/05/08_Bush_Oil.html
more-than-meets-the-eye
- Monday, February 10, 2003 at 22:10:23 (CST)

People come on. all this talk about killing and stuff and who is smarter than who. dont matter what we say hear whats going to happen is going to happen i just hope i dont get bombed. how ever i will fight who ever i have to fight to survive. by reading and researching i have learned more than what i thought i new. I thought the French were dumb but they are not dumb just have a mismanged goverment and cant afford to go to war. understandable. and sadam the poor guy dont know how to be a leader. all that oil and his people is so poor. enough oil to be the richest country and the world and what does he do buy guns. anyway things are not what they seem all the time
KCK_UGLY
- Monday, February 10, 2003 at 22:10:03 (CST)

I find it somewhat amusing that much of the opinion coming from the Middle East seems to be that America's motives are religious in nature and that the reality is that this is Christian or Jewish agression towards Muslims. People expressing this opinion fail to mention that just in 1999 America liberated the majority Muslim Kosovars from the tyranny and oppression of the majority Christian Serbs in the former Yogoslovia. I would love to be able to do an impossible experiment. It is easy to take cheap shots at America from Denmark, South America, or wherever. But, the hard truth is that it's the American President who at the end of the day has to have the courage to make the really tough decisions, while the rest of the world has the luxury to support us, disagree with us, heckle us, whatever. Any leader, in any situation, whether it's in the workplace or in World Politics, has to make the tough decisions. Iraq absolutely poses a threat, not only to America, but to the rest of the world. Sadaam Hussein is a diagnosed psychopath with Chemical and Biological weapons at his disposal. War is never a black and white, good or bad, scenario and the governments of the world know this. The facts are that most of the governments in the Middle East support the U.S. policy of regime change in Iraq and 16 of the 19 Nato nations also agree. The U.S. is not acting unilaterally, it is acting with a majority support.
American Joe
- Monday, February 10, 2003 at 20:52:59 (CST)

American freedom you proved my point by displaying typical american ignorance/arrogance.
So if I was a nice guy I would thank you.
Teis
Copenhagen, Denmark - Monday, February 10, 2003 at 19:00:04 (CST)

logic ..he calls himself texas patriot.
i could call him tex or texas pat. pat can also be
called patsy. a patsy is someone who is set up to take
the fall for someone else. patsy aka tex
is buying the garbage coming from dc. not only
in this adminstration, but also from previous admin.

it also appears you are not that up
on the japanese participation in ww2.

japan was nuked because they
ran death camps similiar to the
nazi's. there is no telling how long
a war with japan would have lasted.
it could have become another
viet nam. all those lovely jungles
to hide in.

the bombing of hiroshima and nagisaki was
inhumane. it was an out and out attack on
civilians. the point could have
been made in a less inhabited area.

ah..the rush to win again, shows the
respect america has for human life.

surf this site for unit 731 and for therombaric.

more-than-meets-the-eye
- Monday, February 10, 2003 at 17:43:31 (CST)

er..american freedom..i'm not the one
who referred to the world situtation as
chess. patsy did.
however, chess is a game that was
based on war. it requires forthought
and strategy. while winning is important.
a great chess player wins with few men lost.

patsy is right..the un security council
is the war room..the chess board. bushwacko
is in a rush to win. he is aggressive, doesn't
plan adequately. he is a juvenile amongst
the players. his pawn powell really
screwed up.

more-than-meets-the-eye
- Monday, February 10, 2003 at 17:35:05 (CST)

why do you call Texas Patriot "patsy"? That's pretty stupid.
American freedom
- Monday, February 10, 2003 at 17:09:47 (CST)

We dropped the first nuke, yes, and saved lives. The war against Japan would have gone on for at least 3 more years. More
would have died. Since you're too dumb to realize that the rest of your post is not worth reading. You obviously are not that old.
American freedom
- Monday, February 10, 2003 at 17:06:35 (CST)

More-than, you dope. War is not a board game. War is a last resort. You don't go to war based on who will join you.
American freedom
- Monday, February 10, 2003 at 17:01:57 (CST)

I'm sick of these damned arabs. We jews are have decded to use the American government to desroy our enemies again. It worked well enough in ww2. We have mastered the art of deception, and when the dim-witted American public believes what we tell them, we just sit back and watch the show. Thanks again for your support America. After this one we may just destroy your culture take your wealth, and slink back to Israel the last place on earth where a white man is still king.
eli hebowits <jewsinpower@zog.bomb>
long island, new york usa - Monday, February 10, 2003 at 17:01:13 (CST)

As I see it, the biggest treat to the world is the U.S. You dropped the first nuclear bomb.
You have no respect whatsoever for other countries, you have removed more democratic governments than Anyone can count.
Your present government is nothing but a bunch of corporate thieves who would have been put to jail if your justice system had worked.
Your country look more and more as the old roman empire in the end-degenerated and run by a gang of thugs and thieves.
You should clean up your act and get rid of the leeches who control your country.
Or else things will get much more worse in the US.
By the way I dont hate your country, I have been there before. But if you continue on the path you have chosen things is not looking good.
Teis
Copenhagen, Denmark - Monday, February 10, 2003 at 16:09:18 (CST)

patsy, as long as you call yourself
a patriot and hold the views you do
i will continue to refer to you as patsy.
you are not a patriot. you are
brainwashed and a nationalist.

more-than-meets-the-eye
- Monday, February 10, 2003 at 14:07:09 (CST)

COULD NOT RESIST......I OWN MY OWN BUSINESS LADY.....ADIOS
TEXAS PATRIOT
USA - Monday, February 10, 2003 at 14:05:23 (CST)

we have a right to rid the world
of al qaeda..we do not have the right
to invade iraq. the invasion of iraq is for
oil.
therein lies the big difference.
powell has not presented a valid
reason for attacking iraq.

the other countries of the un security council
see and know the reason why the usa
wants to take over iraq. the us of a doesn't
have the moral/legal right to invade another
country because the leader is
despotic.

the actions of the usa are cowardly and that of
a bully. why don't they take
on china for its human rights abuses.
did you know that in china you
can get the death sentance for stealing.
you are head shot as an execution method.
your corpse is rushed to a nearby hospital
and your organs are harvested to be
transplanted into wealthy americans, brits, europeans,etc.
yup..for about 40,000 dollars
you can get that kidney..all
cross matching is done, prior to deciding
which convicted chinese felon
will be executed on a given day.
several organ purchasers are line up,
waiting for the operation. great way
to subsidize the economy huh.

create the death penalty for
minor felons..lots of organs to harvest
then.

oh heck..what about the infantcide?
in china you are allowed one child.
any subsequent babies are aborted or
if they go full term..drowned like unwanted
kittens.

there are even more human rights
abuses.

don't buy into the propaganda.
get satellite tv and surf the internet
for global news..turn off cnn and msnbc

THINK ITS PATRIOTIC.
more-than-meets-the-eye
- Monday, February 10, 2003 at 14:03:49 (CST)

Got to go MTMTE but I promise to return tomorrow. If you think you can lay off the name calling I will too. I can tell by the way you write that you are at least intelligent enough to know that name calling is childish.
So starting tomorrow let's put the name calling aside and stick to the issues because I do enjoy the joust
Here America it is ok to have a difference of opinion. As a matter of fact we Americans pride ourselves in not conforming to the others.

So Love, Peace and Chicken Grease.
TEXAS PATRIOT
USA - Monday, February 10, 2003 at 13:58:53 (CST)

oh patsy, you really are
smarmy aren't you.
you start the name calling.
you label yourself patriotic,
when what you really are is
patridiotic.

you refuse to see the light of day.
you call yourself pro american.
which you are not..you are
pro amerikan. the bushita's love
your mentality. it fits so well
with the new world order.

and patsy..i'm just willing to bet
you're a thief too. you're posts
come in during office hours. i.e.
you are stealing time from your
employer..wasting it surfing
the internet msg boards to
pump up your right as an amerikan
to rob anyone who gets in your way.

pathetic little nationalist that you are.

now we see you are a wimp..you offered
to kick my butt with facts and name calling
thus far you have desperately failed.
so now you apologize for vulgarity and
try to back out of any kind of debate
because you and i just don't see eye to eye.
and you are to block-headed to even try to
see reason..even when the info
comes directly from the CIA.
what a loser you are. yup..
i can see why you support bush baby.
you're bred from the same ilk.
lying, bullying chicken hawks.
no gumption when the fighting
gets serious.

more-than-meets-the-eye
- Monday, February 10, 2003 at 13:53:07 (CST)

I think that we do have a right to go to war w/ Iraq. I think some people need to just look at the facts and stop putting our country down. I do agree with some individuals on the aspect of our president, He is not the most likable president. But he is standing up for the american people, and trying to do what is best.
UNITED STATES
U.S.A - Monday, February 10, 2003 at 13:50:32 (CST)

To other readers on this website: Please accept my deepest apologizes for the vulgar language. However, I have warned MTMTE about the adolescent name calling but she chooses to pursue that type of an attack.
I prefer to just exchange information or as some would say put in my two cents. The reality is that I am Pro-American and she is Anti-American. We both could sit in a room and argue until we both passed out and when we woke up we will still leave the room with the opinion we entered with.
TEXAS PATRIOT
TEXAS USA - Monday, February 10, 2003 at 13:34:28 (CST)

oh patsy..i'm so wounded..not
you started with the name calling.
ronnie's scawny, anton's a nerd.
and hey now i'm an overweight sex goddess.
yup..yer a redneck..yehaw.
now as to the cia being involved in
the overthrow of the chilean gov.
you didn't like the url i posted. sorry,
it was the first one of 20,000+
so, here ya go..right from the
CIA's own webpages.
http://www.odci.gov/
that's their home page..ok?!
click my name for this link
regarding the CIA actions in chile
http://www.odci.gov/cia/publications/chile/index.html

oh, and i've seen the vagina monologues,
so cunt isn't an offensive word..come on patsy..
can't you do any better?
you know, the bigger a texan's hat
the smaller..the you know what.

more-than-meets-the-eye
- Monday, February 10, 2003 at 13:29:23 (CST)

If you would like to see a picture of the fat ass bitch more-than meets the eye click on name below......
CLICK HERE FOR PHOTO
- Monday, February 10, 2003 at 12:47:18 (CST)

First of all BITCH/CUNT, Will Rogers said Believe half of what you see and none of what you read. Your Source is the Albion Monitor. Shall I suggest the Globe, the Star or even the National Inquirer.
The reason you resort to name calling is because under cross examination your facts turn to shit.
TEXAS PATRIOT
- Monday, February 10, 2003 at 12:41:45 (CST)

hey patsy..click on my name
for just one of 20 thousand plus
hits that i turned up when
i put
pinochet torture kissinger chile

the american government is corrupt.
you've been duped..and ya wonder
why i call you patsy.
stop being a nationalist
and become a real patriot.

into a search engine.
http://www.monitor.net/monitor/9903a/kissingerchile.html
more-than-meets-the-eye
- Monday, February 10, 2003 at 11:13:20 (CST)

btw..patsy, after the usa/cia toppled
chile's government was toppled.
a right wing military dicatorship
was installed. thousands of ppl
disappeared, were tortured and killed.

more-than-meets-the-eye
- Monday, February 10, 2003 at 10:52:01 (CST)

sure patsy call me anything you
want. a bitch is just a woman being
assertive..so thanks for the compliment..:-))
more-than-meets-the-eye
- Monday, February 10, 2003 at 10:45:41 (CST)

IF I MUST BE REFERRED TO AS PATSY THEN I GUESS I WILL REFER TOO YOU AS BITCH. IS THAT OK WITH YOU?
IT'S UP TOO YOU. LIKE I SAID BEFORE, I CAN DO BOTH QUITE WELL!
TEXAS PATRIOT
USA - Monday, February 10, 2003 at 10:28:42 (CST)

patsy..chile was a democracy. it was
elected leadership. they happened to be
socialist in nature.
the usa invades any country that
isn't big enough to fight back.
not for democracy..but to ensure
that capitalism flourishs.

canada..is a social democracy.
uk is a social democracy.
but, they are also capitalist.
most of south america left leaning politically.
the usa hates that.
mccarthyism destroyed a lot of ppl. and
the findings used to destroy the
lives of many ppl were based on lies
gained via intimidation.

as, i said patsy..you've bought
into many of the lies.

heil bush..

more-than-meets-the-eye
- Monday, February 10, 2003 at 10:20:47 (CST)

Think of the world as a game of chess. A chess game between Communism and Free Democratic societies.
To you twenty-something and thirty-something babes this is a foreign idea. But to those who grow up in the fifties and sixties communism was a REAL threat for it's day. Just as terrorism is a real threat today.
Did the CIA manipulate the government in Chile? One of the people on this website claims it did.
During the 50's and 60's the idea of not letting COMMUNISM spread to the Americas was a GOOD thing. And if the CIA did in fact drop communism in Chile the world is better off because of it....BECAUSE COMMUNISM DOES NOT WORK!!! The Russians are living prove of that. Also the communist were intent on spreading their false doctrine to the entire world. ( read the Communist Manifesto)
So feel free to express your self anyway you like because the USA and other free countries fought wars and played the world chess game to give you that right.
And yes I know, my sources lie and your sources tell the truth. The BBC does not have the UK's interest in mine, (BP ...aka British Petroleum) They are perfect little angels who never lie, stretch the truth, with hold some of the facts. Just the American press does that because we are evil, right?
By way the enjoy your free speech on the internet because we Americans invented that too!
TEXAS PATRIOT
TEXAS USA - Monday, February 10, 2003 at 10:17:46 (CST)

american freedom, you need to get off
the prozac.

america has supported terrorism
for years. one just has to look
at what the CIA has been involved
in. who owns the CIA?

there was another 9/11..in 1973.
the CIA assisted in toppling
the chilean government. kissinger
became a wanted war criminial for
his part in the action.

kissinger who was appointed to
head up the investigation into the
american 9/11. kissinger who has
a reputation..for if you wanted
it hidden..kissinger is the man.

tough,
you are absolutely right. the
american ppl are stupid..but, lets
correct the word..they are
ignorant..ignorant of the facts.

get satellite tv, surf the internet for
newsreports produced in other
nations. the info being fed to the
americans is diluted with twisted
context.

it wouldn't be pertinent for
the bushwhackos to tell the truth.
we might not support them in their
rush for war.

america and other countries
are doing the right thing in hunting
done al qaida..however, going
after sodamn insane is a lie.
sodamn is no threat to the usa.
yes, he has "some" weapons of mass
distruction. they are short range.

yes, al quaida is in iraq..they are
hiding in american controlled/protected
terrority tho.

i'm even to bet there are iraqi nationals
who are members of al quaida.

just as there are americans who are
members of neo nazi's.

do a few red neck idiots on either side
make the rest of the citizen in their
respective countries losers?

now, there was a comment made
that sodamn said it was god's retribution
that the shuttle blew up.

i don't know if he said it or not
i didn't see the news clip.
but, i do know that if there is
such a clip, it was played to
incite anger in americans.

they sure didn't play the news
clips of the arab world being
stunned by the 9/11 attack.

the government did make sure we saw
the clips of jubiliant anti-americans
dancing in the street.

BUT, one has to ask..was the dancing
in the streets in relation to 9/11 or
was it from some other event and played
as being a 9/11 celebration.

i strongly recommend you see
the movie wag the dog.

the bush admin has hired slick
hollywood producers to put out their
propaganda. they did this even before
9/11.

you really do need to wake up and stop
being so gullible..so ignorant.

this impending war is not just.
it is based on going after the oil.

and god bless bonnie prince charlie.
i do wish he'd step out more publically.
blair is going down. the brits
are fed up. they don't want america's
war.

russia doesn't support it either, neither
does china. if bushwhacko invades
iraq there will be hell to pay
not for the iraqi's but for the americans

so, beat your war drums..because
they have the ominnous sound of
a death roll.
god bless america..
god damn amerikka.

don't give our freedoms away.
more-than-meets-the-eye
- Monday, February 10, 2003 at 02:01:57 (CST)

America does not support terrorism you crack addict.

Instead of all this bleeding heart trash, you folks need to realize what makes a good person. It's not whether
you're a Democrat or Republican, liberal or conservative. It's whether you have the qualities of
both. A good person is a Republican who always gives what he has to those in need (without being forced to). A
good person is a Democrat who can prove his mettle in a harsh world and never complain or give in to their
frustrations and steal.

There's an old political saying that goes "If you weren't a Democrat when you were young, you have no heart
and if you're not a Republican when you grow old you have no brain."

You folks need to realize that there's good reasons to be both, and good reasons to be neither. And stop being
so one-sided. Open your
minds. Learn as much as you can about both sides before you rant anything. Freedom of speech is something
special--don't abuse it.
American freedom
- Sunday, February 09, 2003 at 21:47:01 (CST)

Breaking News on A.B.C. radio 1500Hrs. 06Feb 03.
Colin Powell was asked by CNN reporter ....,"What proof do you have that
Iraq has weapons of mass destruction?"
Colin Powell replied: "We have kept the receipts"
America supports terrorism!!!

http://www.americanstateterrorism.com <http://www.americanstateterrorism.com>
http://www.americanstateterrorism.com, http://www.americanstateterrorism.com http://www.americanstateterrorism.com - Sunday, February 09, 2003 at 18:26:32 (CST)

though shit folks. whether you think you know as much as the government or not, Bush is going to do the right thing. The public is stupid. The decision of going to war is never based on who will join you. Because it is a last resort anyway. After 9/11, things have changed. Any regime that supports terrorism is out. No more bullshit. The brainless critics that have no knowledge of history will be run over in the wake of 9/11.
tough shit
- Sunday, February 09, 2003 at 14:51:51 (CST)

This is how Europeans think about the war.! See Poll Time Magazine.

http://www.photo-shirt.be/images/orders/Poll.jpg

Anton
The Netherl;ands - Sunday, February 09, 2003 at 13:10:01 (CST)

IT IS OBVIOUS THAT THE YEARS OF INBREEDING HAVE TAKEN THEIR TOLL ON MORE THAN JUST PRINCE CHARLES EARS.
THANK GOD FOR TONY BLAIR
- Sunday, February 09, 2003 at 12:14:21 (CST)

HE HE HE.... I laughed my ass off when Saddom tryed to imply that the Challenger crashed because of God's justice on America.

Now here is a thought... If God loves you so much why did he make you guys so damn ugly....

THE SHOE BOMBER... NOW THAT IS ONE UGLY ASS M.F. .....HE HE HE

THE SHOE BOMBER VS BRAD PITT..... Hmmmmmm
TEXAS PATRIOT
USA - Sunday, February 09, 2003 at 12:07:03 (CST)

Hold your peace

By CLIVE GOODMAN, ROYAL EDITOR

A SERIOUS rift has opened up between Prince Charles and the government because he is seen to be AGAINST a war on Iraq and AGAINST America.

Whitehall also believes the prince is sympathetic to the view of his Arab friends that war on Saddam Hussein is a bid by the US to grab a stake in the Middle East's oil.

Yet despite being colonel-in-chief to 17 regiments, Charles has shown little public support for the soldiers, airmen and sailors who are about to risk their lives in a Gulf conflict.

There are also worries that he makes no secret of his anti-American views in conversations with members of Arab royal families and their leading officials.

A Whitehall source said: "Downing Street tries not to involve the prince in anything� because they have concerns over how he will react.

"He has this lunatic view he is the voice of the people."

Formal

And a diplomatic insider said: "It would be very unhelpful if the prince were to indicate anything other than unswerving support for the government."

The prince's stance was illustrated last week when�in his role as colonel-in-chief of the Paras�he said a stiff, formal farewell to his men as they prepared to leave for the Gulf.

His visit to the Parachute Regiment barracks in Colchester does not merit a single line on his official website. It was not announced by his own office.

Yet his opening of an Islamic education centre in Leicester two weeks ago is reported on the website with 19 paragraphs, two pictures and a full transcript of his speech.

Charles is rightly feted for his pioneering work creating understanding and tolerance between Islam and other faiths.

He also holds many honorary military positions, including chief to the Welsh Guards, the Paras and the Gurkhas. He is Vice-Admiral in the Royal Navy, Air Marshal in the RAF and Lieutenant General in the Army.

Critics say the prince likes to cut a dash in the Paras' coveted red beret�strutting around with a chestful of medals on his tunic. But they ask how the men of the Parachute Regiment would feel if they knew their colonel's true feelings on the war.

The prince's views have led to a worrying split with the American leadership. Two months ago, Charles had to abandon an official visit to the US because the White House made it clear he wasn't wanted.

The snub�directly from President Bush�came after security sources advised that Charles's presence in America would be "very unhelpful".

Washington diplomats were concerned the prince would show his disapproval during meetings with President Bush.

Charles�who reads the Koran every day and often adopts Islamic dress at home�spends long hours discussing the Middle East's problems with Saudi royal family members.

One of his closest friends is the former Saudi ambassador Ghazi Algosaibi who wrote a poem in praise of the first woman suicide bomber.

Algosaibi said that the "doors of heaven are opened for her". He once described the Israelis as worse than Nazis and he was a regular guest at Highgrove�Prince Charles's country home�before he was recalled by his government last year.

Charles is also close to King Abdullah of Jordan. His glamorous wife Queen Rania is a close friend of the prince's partner, Camilla Parker Bowles and is a regular guest at St James's Palace.

In private the prince talks about "Americanimperi-alism" collapsing the whole of the Middle East.

"Of course Saddam is an evil man, but American imperialism will not solve the problem," he said in one discussion.

He sympathises with his Saudi royal friends when they talk about their fears of America's true intentions in Iraq.

One close friend said: "They believe the US intends to collapse the whole Gulf economy and take control of oil.

"Once that happens the tensions in Israel and Palestine will explode."

Fraught

Charles's meeting three days ago with French President Jacques Chirac was fraught with diplomatic concerns.

Before the meeting the Foreign Office asked the Prince of Wales's staff if he would promise not to discuss Iraq.

They said yes, but Charles would feel free to give an opinion if Chirac raised Iraq first.

Downing Street is understood to have washed its hands of winning Charles's support.

"At such a sensitive time his views are wrong, wrong, wrong," said a Whitehall source.

"Unfortunately he is making them a little too widely known."

Yet ANOTHER HERO: Prince Charles <http://www.americanstateterrrorism.com>
http://www.americanstateterrrorism.com, http://www.americanstateterrrorism.com http://www.americanstateterrrorism.com - Saturday, February 08, 2003 at 23:45:16 (CST)

YET Another Hero to add to the list Dave Matthews Speaks Out About the War
I hope this letter finds you all well and that in these uncertain times you find moments to be joyful.

I want to speak my mind about this war with Iraq, or I will choke on my conscience.

What is the motivation? Regime change? Shouldn't that be up to the people of the region and the people of Iraq? The only real threat from Saddam Hussein is to his neighbors and none of them support a U.S. invasion. Is it to stabilize the Middle-East? Wouldn't it only do the opposite by causing further death and suffering in a country that has had more than its share?

Is it to weaken Al Qaeda? Saddam Hussein is a genocidal maniac but he is not Al Qaeda. He is certainly more visible though. Is he our target because he is easier to identify than the illusive terrorist network? Surely it is more likely that an attack on Iraq would only strengthen Al Qaeda by feeding Anti-American sentiment. Putting out the fire with gasoline, so to speak. It is certainly not to liberate the people of Iraq who suffer under Hussein's rule, unless we call killing hundreds of thousands of Iraqis liberation.

Saddam Hussein is a barbaric murderous dictator. I wish the world were free of him. But the answer is not to bomb this great culture of Iraq out of existence to stop him. Why must the children of Iraq die by the thousands to stop a tyrant? It is not justice. And if we kill him what will we achieve? We will have taken the most unpopular leader in the Middle East and turned him into the greatest martyr radical Islam has ever had. The U.N. weapons inspectors must be allowed to do their job thoroughly and any military action should be internationally agreed upon. We must not allow our government to turn us into a rogue nation.

I fear that our true motivation is about oil and our own flailing economy; about the failure to destroy Al Qaeda and about revenge. It is criminal to put our servicemen and women in harm's way and to put the lives of so many civilians on the line for the misguided frustrations of the Bush administration.

Bottom line: this war is wrong and this war is un-American.

Peacefully submitted,
Dave Matthews

YET Another Hero to add to the list Dave Matthews Speaks Out About the War <http://www.americanstateterrorism.com>
http://www.americanstateterrorism.com, http://www.americanstateterrorism.com http://www.americanstateterrorism.com - Saturday, February 08, 2003 at 23:43:08 (CST)

Breaking News on A.B.C. radio 1500Hrs. 06Feb 03.
Colin Powell was asked by CNN reporter ....,"What proof do you have that
Iraq has weapons of mass destruction?"
Colin Powell replied: "We have kept the receipts"
Colin Powell replied: "We have kept the receipts"
Brisbane, QLD Australia - Saturday, February 08, 2003 at 23:40:55 (CST)

americans have every right to critize
the country and the president.
no one has to leave if they disagree.
in fact it is a patriots duty to speak out.
"To announce that there must be no criticism of the President,
or that we are to stand by the President,
right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and
servile,
but is morally treasonable
to the American public."
-Theodore Roosevelt, 1918
more-than-meets-the-eye
- Saturday, February 08, 2003 at 22:53:55 (CST)

wow! the sparks from that delgado
killdroid chip are really lightin
up the sky wardaddy.

its not liberal tree hugging socialist
marxists..its a lot of ppl who
have looked at the facts. they've looked beyond the
propganda.

its only rednecks, the uninformed who are
still crying out for war.

those ppl you want to blast out of
existance..most of them are just
ordinary ppl. their leaders are whackoid.
but then, the usa and other
governments armed them and trained them

this attack on iraq is not
justified, nor necessary.
howabout if we stop supplying
isreal..how about if we tell
isreal to get rid of its WMD's.

check out the bilderbergers and get the
big picture. this planet consists of more
than the us of a.

stop being a nationalist, and become
a patriot. start thinking.

more-than-meets-the-eye
- Saturday, February 08, 2003 at 22:42:10 (CST)

Pardon me if I seem hostile. It seems to me that there are alot of folks who need a major overhaul of the brain. Maybe you people don't get it. Let a brutal chemical cooking , dirty bomb baking, fusion creating, dictator harbor and finance terror , & every tree hugging liberal , Carl Marx socialist in the world will want to blackmail and hold this country hostage. I've gone to war !!! I know what it is. I DO NOT WANT TO SEE IT. But, if it has to be , it has to be ! We can't allow socialis liberal nut cases like the one in Iraq to have a stronghold on the world. Europe tried to kiss Hitler's butt & make deals with him. Guess what nimrods. HE KNOCKED THEM DOWN AND THEN KICKED 'EM' IN THE BA_ _ S !!! If people are sooooo worried that poor old saddam might get beat up, then get the hell out of here and go move live with them !! I won't feel bad when the b- 52's look like birds buzzing overhead & raining down bombs like they're going out of style. Personally , I think we should pull out of the united nations & nuke Iraq / Afganistan / & N Korea out of existance. Then tell the rest of the world , If they don't toe the line , they're next !!
War daddy <bidemlow@earthlink.net>
fresno, ca usa - Saturday, February 08, 2003 at 22:25:57 (CST)

of course the american government
wouldn't lie to its citizens.

colin powell didn't present
information from 1991, taken verbatim
from a university student.
the british secret agents
didn't beef up the language.

powell didn't present satellite
photos of sites already visited
by un inspectors.

its all just a conspiracy theory
yeah..even the mainstream news
isn't reporting on it..right?

wake up ppl. there is a facist dictator
in the white house..who is going after
the middle eastern oil..and
he's using your trust and
belief in the american justice
system to con you.

the war is not justified..it
is contrived. no blood for oil.

more-than-meets-the-eye
- Saturday, February 08, 2003 at 21:42:07 (CST)

cgolden..maybe..just maybe
those european countries haven't
forgot hitler.

maybe just maybe they're seeing
the rise of a new hitler..only they
are looking west, rather than east.

George Bush: The Unauthorized Biography
by Webster G. Tarpley & Anton
Chaitkin
Chapter - II - The Hitler Project
Bush Property Seized--Trading with the Enemy
In October 1942, ten months after
entering World War II, America was
preparing its first assault
against Nazi military forces.
Prescott Bush was managing partner of
Brown Brothers Harriman. His
18-year-old son George,
the future U.S. President,
had just begun training to become
a naval pilot. On Oct. 20, 1942,
the U.S. government ordered the
seizure of Nazi German banking
operations in New York City which
were being conducted by Prescott Bush.
see the bush bio for more info.
http://www.tarpley.net/bushb.htm#Table
click on my name for a quick link.

prescott bush is dubya's granddad.
anton chaitkin is the grandson
of the prosecuting attorney.

surf this msg board for delgado.
you'll be very surprised to find out
what the what was approved and funded by
the american government.

i strongly suggest you surf this site/scroll read thru
it for nuremburg, bilderberger, constitution
leave no child behind.

i and a few others have been
posting a lot of info.

no one wants to believe the
realllllly bad guy is on our
side.

there is no doubt sodamn insane
is a despotic dictator..ours is just
a little slicker.

wake up and think..it's patriotic.

more-than-meets-the-eye
- Saturday, February 08, 2003 at 21:31:54 (CST)

It seems that several European countries have forgotten a man named Adolph Hitler and the autrocities that he committed. If I remember my history books correctly, most people didn't believe that he was a threat either and "allowed" him to become what he did. And of course there were those who blindly followed him--and decades later history is repeating itself in Iraq. NO ONE WANTS WAR, but I think we should look at the facts and consider the biological weapons that Hussein has used on his own people---and consider how long it will be before he spreads out to other countries. France and Germany need to remember the sacrifices the United States made to bail them out---and stand behind us.
CGolden <cgolden4@woh.rr.com>
Lakeview, Ohio USA - Saturday, February 08, 2003 at 19:31:52 (CST)

God's will is often used as a
reason for inaction.
here's a story

there was a farmer who lived near the river
the rainy season caused the river to overflow.

the police/neighbors were advising
all to evacuate the area. one
stubborn farmer said god would take care of
him and refused to leave his home.

a day later the water is lapping at his
front porch, a boat arrives telling the
man to get in the boat.

the man bravely said. god will provide for me and
sent the rescuer on his way.

3 days later the stubborn farmer is on his roof top.
a helicopter comes in..demanding
that the farmer get in. the
farmer furiously sent the helicopter away.
saying god will take care of me.

well, the farmer drowned. when he
got to heaven he said to st. peter
what happened. why did god not save
me? i'm a good person.

st. peter said.
who do you think sent the police and your neighbors to
warn you. a boat was sent, and then a helicopter.
you refused god's help.

so wake up ppl. it is god's will
get informed with both sides of the
argument..then get active.
don't use god's will as a cop out to
just let things be..or you'll end up
drowning and wondering why that happened.

more-than-meets-the-eye
- Saturday, February 08, 2003 at 19:11:27 (CST)

no clue
i have worked in both electronic
and print media, as a journalist, and
as a copy writer.
i know how the mainstream media
works. i know the lies and deception as
well as ommissions that occur.

you may have travelled to places of
conflict and have seen things
that occur in under-developed
nations.

but, you have most likely approached the
situtation with a biased eye.

you give not the ppl of their countries
the right to their culture.

as the spanish conquistadors did to the aztecs,
the americans are doing to 3rd
world countries. imposing their
will, their lifestyle upon the
citizens..even then this is a
half truth. because the majority
of the citizens still live in
unbelievable poverty, even after
the great american influence.

if anyone is delusionary here,
it is you. research leonard peltier (sp)
a native american who is unjustly
imprisoned. america is not perfect,
it has a long way to go.

until all of americans are treated
equally..i.e. have access to
a decent quality of life from a level
playing field. we have failed
to meet the expectations of the founding
fathers when it was written
all men are created equal.

the amount of money wasted on
the military/defence sure would
go a long way to ensure all
americans have access to education,
health care, shelter, food, clothing.

so..yeah you picked a perfect
name for yourself..no clue. you've
not got one. you don't see the big
picture. you are cursed by
tunnel vision and propaganda.

once the war starts, and even after
march 1st. watch for the changes
that will occur. the loss of more
and more freedoms.

more-than-meets-the-eye
- Saturday, February 08, 2003 at 09:07:00 (CST)

None what-so-ever. Your half-truths and lies fit in a puzzle of your making. Enjoy your delusion. I hope you get to keep it, because it is truly the only shred of "truth" you see.
I have been there, I HAVE seen what you cannot imagine, hence the criminalization you contrive.
Good luck
MTMTE you have no clue.
- Saturday, February 08, 2003 at 05:08:02 (CST)

Your grandfathers and those before them curse you for taking for granted what they sacrificed their lives for.
One day, it will hit you between the eyes that this world is NOT A NICE PLACE. When it does, I hope you can deal with it. If not, Shut up and hug your kids and depend on those that can handle it and will.
America, the land of the weak, survives and grows strong. A population of the world's repressed now stands and will take pre-emptive action against those you will never stop until they are dead.
These are the facts. Whether you see them or not, they see you.

Don't deserve the freedoms you have taken for granted.
- Saturday, February 08, 2003 at 04:45:37 (CST)

terrence this isn't about god's will

this impending war is about oil
here's another outtake from bbc4's
between iraq and a hard place.
RORY:
People say it�s about oil. But it can�t be. It can�t be about oil. George W Bush says it�s not about oil. Dick Cheney says it�s not about oil, and these people should know.

V/O WITH FOOTAGE:
Bush, George W:
Founder of oil company Arbusto Energy. Former shareholder oil company Spectrum 7 Energy. Former director of Harken Oil and Gas. Son of oil magnate George H W Bush.

Cheney, Richard �Dick�:
Former CEO oil company Halliburton Industries. Customers included Unocal, Exxon, Shell and Chevron. Plus Saddam Hussein, Colonel Gadaffi, Ayatollah Ali Khameini.

Rice, Condoleeza:
Former director of oil company Chevron. Chevron are partners in a massive new Caspian oil venture, had a 129,000 ton oil tanker named after her.

RORY STANDUP

RORY:
It�s a great thought isn�t it that Condoleeza Rice is actually an oil tanker. That explains why she takes so long to change her mind, because she�s got to keep going in one direction for 6 miles before she can actually turn around.

APPLAUSE

END OF PART 3

click my name for a quick link to the
video or text.

you know, god gets blamed or let off the
hook on too many things that ppl just ignore
or are apathetic about.

hey, you're in canada..have you noticed
much of a change in your society
since the usa took over canada
militarily..they did it the same
day they killed the four canadian
soldiers with friendly fire.
talk about a wag the dog episode huh.

and if patsy in texas had half a brain..he'd
know that the UN has rated canada the number one
nation to live in. norway is second, followed
by the usa, then aus and the list goes on.

canadians are just americans without guns who happen to have
health care.

more-than-meets-the-eye
- Saturday, February 08, 2003 at 00:31:11 (CST)

What right has ANY man to set state or nation above the Great Command? Love the Lord your God with all of thine mind, body, and soul...love thine neighbor as thyself!!! We are all human and we are all our brothers' keeper. This is not about race or religion, This is about selfishness and unselfishness. Gods' Will Be Done!!!! And may He have mercy upon all of our souls!
Terence Roberto <t7rence@hotmail.com>
Vancouver, BC Canada - Friday, February 07, 2003 at 23:13:15 (CST)

Texas Patroit--I'd say your an insult to REAL Patroits, and REAL TEXANS.

YOu have no concept of war, or history.

Pre-War Germany was advanced, beyond any other nation on earth. Yet, they were still defeated.

Germany had the V-1 and V-2 Rockets, they started their Jet aircraft, the best
American tanks, could only bounce their shells off
German tanks in 1942,
Yet they lost.

During a Nuclear War, practically ALL of the U.S. technology will be usesless,
as radio waves, will not work through heavily radiated spaces.
Vehicles won't run, no cell phones, no electricity)

If it gets man-to-man, the U.S. loses hands down.

As soon as the U.S. is in the losing
position, MANY of the other countries, that HATE THE U.S.
that were formerly afraid to attack the U.S.
will join in the frenzy and add their forces to the much hated U.S.

Even OLD Outdated Nukes, like the tiny one, the U.S.
dropped on Japan,
can destroy L.A. Chicago, or New York.

The U.S. can't even supply and equip their own military, at the present.

The U.S. is the Biggest exported of military weapons,
The U.S. had the biggest stock pile of biological and chemical weapons.

The U.S. trains more terrorist groups in the world,
than any other country.

The U.S. built Al-Quieda to fight against the Russians, 10 years ago.

Russia, China and France, all have said, "NO" for a Bush war against Iraq.

Bush said, he'll lead a war, anyway.

Wait, until the U.S. bombs and kills millions of Iraqi elderly men, women and children.

It will be interesting to see who China, Russia, France and the World will do.

Baby Bush is now faced with the problem;
how can he call of his war, and not lose ratings in the polls?

As soon as the Draft starts, we'll see bush approval rating sink even lower.

Ronnie
- Friday, February 07, 2003 at 20:11:15 (CST)

TO MTMTE:
I don't know whether I am talking to American, a Brit or other since you refuse to say. I am guessing one or the other. It makes a difference when I am explain something to make a point.

We Americans claim to be the greatest country in the world, How can we make that claim?
It's easy its called GNP or gross national product. America produces more Agriculture, technology, medicines, machinery, food, goods and services than any country in the world.
Every country in the world that does a lot of business with the US prospers. (Japan, Germany, etc)

You say the WORLD is not behind America. When the shit hits the fan all the countries that want to prosper will fall in line. That is if they want to do business with the United States. AND THEY DO WANT TO DO BUSINESS WITH THE UNITED STATES.
So who's your pick? Are you going to back the North Koreans. Maybe when it is all over you can trade your computer software for some of their rice. DO YOU GET THE BIG PICTURE NOW?
With enough pressure applied in the right places we won't have to kick their ass we will get China to do it. In exchange for good trading relations with China. DO YOU GET THE BIG PICTURE NOW?
And the scorpion isn't going do shit when it gets STEPPED ON..

NOW THAT'S THE BIG PICTURE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

ADIOS...... gone for the day
TEXAS PATRIOT
- Friday, February 07, 2003 at 19:00:15 (CST)

January 28, 2003
> > Bombing Mr. Johnson
> > I'm Losing My Patience With My Neighbors, Mr. Bush
> > By TERRY JONES
> >
> > I'm really excited by George Bush's latest reason for bombing
> > Iraq: he's running out of patience. And so am I!
> >
> > For some time now I've been really pissed off with Mr Johnson,
> > who lives a couple of doors down the street. Well, him and Mr
> > Patel, who runs the health food shop. They both give me queer
> > looks, and I'm sure Mr Johnson is planning something nasty for
> > me, but so far I haven't been able to discover what. I've been
> > round to his place a few times to see what he's up to, but he's
> > got everything well hidden. That's how devious he is.
> >
> > As for Mr Patel, don't ask me how I know, I just know--from
very
> > good sources--that he is, in reality, a Mass Murderer. I have
> > leafleted the street telling them that if we don't act first,
> > he'll pick us off one by one.
> >
> > Some of my neighbours say, if I've got proof, why don't I go to
> > the police? But that's simply ridiculous. The police will say
> > that they need evidence of a crime with which to charge my
> > neighbours.
> >
> > They'll come up with endless red tape and quibbling about the
> > rights and wrongs of a pre-emptive strike and all the while Mr
> > Johnson will be finalising his plans to do terrible things to
> > me, while Mr Patel will be secretly murdering people. Since I'm
> > the only one in the street with a decent range of automatic
> > firearms, I reckon it's up to me to keep the peace. But until
> > recently that's been a little difficult. Now, however, George W.
> > Bush has made it clear that all I need to do is run out of
> > patience, and then I can wade in and do whatever I want!
> >
> > And let's face it, Mr Bush's carefully thought-out policy
> > towards Iraq is the only way to bring about international peace
> > and security. The one certain way to stop Muslim
fundamentalist
> > suicide bombers targeting the US or the UK is to bomb a few
> > Muslim countries that have never threatened us.
> >
> > That's why I want to blow up Mr Johnson's garage and kill his
> > wife and children. Strike first! That'll teach him a lesson.
> > Then he'll leave us in peace and stop peering at me in that
> > totally unacceptable way.
> >
> > Mr Bush makes it clear that all he needs to know before
bombing
> > Iraq is that Saddam is a really nasty man and that he has
> > weapons of mass destruction--even if no one can find them.
I'm
> > certain I've just as much justification for killing Mr Johnson's
> > wife and children as Mr Bush has for bombing Iraq.
> >
> > Mr Bush's long-term aim is to make the world a safer place by
> > eliminating 'rogue states' and 'terrorism'. It's such a clever
> > long-term aim because how can you ever know when you've
achieved
> > it? How will Mr Bush know when he's wiped out all terrorists?
> > When every single terrorist is dead? But then a terrorist is
> > only a terrorist once he's committed an act of terror. What
> > about would-be terrorists? These are the ones you really want
to
> > eliminate, since most of the known terrorists, being suicide
> > bombers, have already eliminated themselves.
> >
> > Perhaps Mr Bush needs to wipe out everyone who could
possibly be
> > a future terrorist? Maybe he can't be sure he's achieved his
> > objective until every Muslim fundamentalist is dead? But then
> > some moderate Muslims might convert to fundamentalism.
Maybe the
> > only really safe thing to do would be for Mr Bush to eliminate
> > all Muslims?
> >
> > It's the same in my street. Mr Johnson and Mr Patel are just
the
> > tip of the iceberg. There are dozens of other people in the
> > street who I don't like and who--quite frankly--look at me in
> > odd ways. No one will be really safe until I've wiped them all
> > out.
> >
> > My wife says I might be going too far but I tell her I'm simply
> > using the same logic as the President of the United States.
That
> > shuts her up.
> >
> > Like Mr Bush, I've run out of patience, and if that's a good
> > enough reason for the President, it's good enough for me. I'm
> > going to give the whole street two weeks--no, 10 days--to come
> > out in the open and hand over all aliens and interplanetary
> > hijackers, galactic outlaws and interstellar terrorist
> > masterminds, and if they don't hand them over nicely and say
> > 'Thank you', I'm going to bomb the entire street to kingdom
> > come.
> >
> > It's just as sane as what George W. Bush is proposing--and, in
> > contrast to what he's intending, my policy will destroy only one
> > street.
> >
> > Terry Jones is a founding member of Monty Python.

Another Hero To Add to The List: TERRY JONES!
www.americanstateterrorism.com, www.americanstateterrorism.com www.americanstateterrorism.com - Friday, February 07, 2003 at 18:53:40 (CST)

Downing St dossier plagiarised
Iraq

Published: 6 February 2003
Reporter: Julian Rush

The government's carefully co-ordinated propaganda offensive took an embarrassing hit tonight after Downing Street was accused of plagiarism.

Read sample of the accused plagiarised text

The target is an intelligence dossier released on Monday and heralded by none other than Colin Powell at the UN yesterday.

Channel Four News has learnt that the bulk of the nineteen page document was copied from three different articles - one written by a graduate student.

On Monday, the day before the US Secretary of State, Colin Powell addressed the UN, Downing Street published its latest paper on Iraq.

It gives the impression of being an up to the minute intelligence-based analysis - and Mr Powell was fulsome in his praise.

Published on the Number 10 web site, called "Iraq - Its Infrastructure of Concealment

Limey Liars!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
http://www.americanstateterrorism.com, http://www.americanstateterrorism.com http://www.americanstateterrorism.com - Friday, February 07, 2003 at 18:49:14 (CST)

Bin Laden to Libya?
Al Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden is making preparations to move his family to Libya, according to U.S. intelligence officials.

Recent intelligence reports said spy agencies have picked up indications that bin Laden family members are preparing to head for Libya from other parts of the world that the officials would not identify.

In the past, bin Laden has kept his several wives and numerous offspring at several residences in Afghanistan, including compounds in Jalalabad and Kandahar, until U.S. military forces ousted the ruling Taliban militia in December 2001. There were an estimated 50 bin Laden family members in Afghanistan, including wives, children and bodyguards.

After the fall of the Taliban regime, intelligence reports surfaced indicating that bin Laden and his family members were heading for Somalia, in East Africa. A watch was placed on the lawless desert country, but bin Laden and his family did not show up.

Other intelligence reports have placed bin Laden in hiding somewhere along the Pakistan-Afghanistan border.

U.S. intelligence has started a massive worldwide hunt for bin Laden, the mastermind of the September 11 attacks. Some officials think he is dead. However, an audiotape of bin Laden's voice surfaced late last year discussing recent al Qaeda attacks in Yemen, Indonesia and Kuwait, the first indication since December 2001 that he is alive. The U.S. government is offering a $25 million reward to anyone who helps kill or capture bin Laden. So far, no one has collected the reward
www.americanstateterrorism.com
Looking For Room To Rent, Must Be Bomb Proof,non-smoker, non-drinking house hold
Bin Laden, - Friday, February 07, 2003 at 18:47:35 (CST)

TO MTMTE: First, lets get the rules of conduct straight. DO YOU WANT TO NAME CALL OR DO YOU WANT TO TRY TO MAKE A POINT. I AM QUITE GOOD AT BOTH.
TEXAS PATRIOT
- Friday, February 07, 2003 at 18:20:33 (CST)

patsy..america exports WMD's.
america hasn't signed many of the
treaties saying they will stop the
war mongering.
ronnie, posted the info on korea's weaponry.
and patsy..one doesn't need the biggest
and the best to inflict pain/death.
one doesn't need the most amount of weapons
either. korea's weapons are known to have the
ability to reach japan. korea
is far more secretive about their
weaponry than other nations.

and win or lose..korea's intent
will be to inflict as much damage
as it can on the opposition.

so..you puff up and play big
tough amerikan hero..coz..how
many of those troops will go down in
a first strike?

and remember the world isn't solidly
behind america. america is stepping on
other countries toes. some of them
will rise up and join enemy forces.

think about what is being
provoked. a scorpion is deadly, and
it is known to sting itself to death
in its rush for vengence. n. korea is
a scorpion. you can be bloody
sure it will make a few deadly stings
before it dies.
more-than-meets-the-eye
- Friday, February 07, 2003 at 17:59:19 (CST)

TO MTMTE: North Korea talks the talk lets see if they can walk the walk? As a matter of fact, I DOUBLE DARE THEM TO MAKE THE FIRST STRIKE!
America can easily win a war two fronts. You mentioned earlier "Did America realize the arsenal that North Korea had?
North Korea spends a little over 5 billion on its military. South Korea spends over 11 billion. The USA ...forgetaboutit.
North Korea has does have that 2 million man army. OPPS...All US military equipment is made for mass kills like 2 million men running at you.
Now lets talk about the innocent men women and children who are hurt or killed in war. No descent human being would want to see children die.
However, the blame for those innocent lives lost will not be on the USA. The blame will go to those export terrorism and weapons of mass destruction to be used against the USA or free world.
People who think they are going to do that and get away with it are going to get their cranium crack. We are going to readjust their thinking. To the innocent bystanders......sorry about your luck!
TEXAS PATRIOT
USA - Friday, February 07, 2003 at 17:49:24 (CST)

yeah patsy..there's somebody home
and the lights are on too. i don't have
tunnel vision either..i see the big picture.
you on the other hand are blinded by
government driven propaganda.

more-than-meets-the-eye
- Friday, February 07, 2003 at 17:23:38 (CST)

TO MTMTE: Hello, is anybody home? When I said you hurt my feelings by calling me names I was being sarcastic. However I did apologize for my comments as I said before that was only to get a rise out off you. Shall I send roses? (Its a joke again in case you are a little slow)
TEXAS PARIOT
- Friday, February 07, 2003 at 17:19:22 (CST)

hey patsy..who says you are
gonna make it to iraq..you might
just get shipped to south korea.
yeah..you know the country that north
korea has issued the ultimatum to
stopping sending american troops to
the region..or we (n. korea) will
make the first strike.

that was announced yesterday. today
america is on high alert. but,
it's more opportune for bushwhacko
to play that it is the islamic
terrorist who might attack
america, rather than the north
koreans..yup..a war on two fronts
folks.

and the patsy thinks he's going to iraq
to castrate/emasculate sodamn insane.
watch out for those thermobaric
bombs.

more-than-meets-the-eye
- Friday, February 07, 2003 at 17:15:09 (CST)

To MTMTE:
When the Americans get a hold of that dictator in Iraq we are going to cut his dick off but we will leave the tators.
TEXAS PARTIOT
- Friday, February 07, 2003 at 17:10:40 (CST)

hmm..who offered to boot my ass?
i'd rather hurt your feelings
than have you continue to spout
bushwhacko propaganda.
can't take it cry baby..
my heart bleeds for you.
goose-stepping nazi. pathetic
little man. low boy on the totem pole
gonna go to war to prove he's a man.
gonna help bushwhacko and the mafia get
richer..oh yeah..a real patriot.
ya stupid patsy.
more-than-meets-the-eye
- Friday, February 07, 2003 at 17:08:15 (CST)

To More-than-meets-the-eye:
Please refrain from using personal attacks. When you call me a patsy or a jerk it hurts my feelings. Also people with education will realize you don't have an argument. That is why you resort to name calling.
TEXAS PATRIOT
- Friday, February 07, 2003 at 17:03:31 (CST)

hey patsy..mr texas..you know
who you remind me of?

one of sodamn insane's toadies.
yeah, you know the party faithful
who reports on his neighbors for
speaking anti sodamn thoughts.
that's the type of jerk you are

you don't value freedom..you only
value following the government's
propaganda and belief that your
country is innocent and anyone
who doesn't agree with you deserves
to die, to be locked up, to be
tortured.
hah..ya you're a real amerikan
washout..and that's all you are
patsy..stool pigeon sell out.
scum bag.

a big talkin' texan, with a little
dick, braggin' his way to glory.

he's gotta go bomb innocent women
and children, elderly, civilians
to prove he's a man..
yeah..you go delgado killdroid.
big amerikan hero.
more-than-meets-the-eye
- Friday, February 07, 2003 at 16:36:02 (CST)

no not scared. i'm protecting my
freedom. my freedom to move about.
my freedom to speak

you can label it any thing you
want to justify your warped
thought process. the only thing that
scares me..are idiots like you.
who refuse to wake up and who
will sacrifice the american dream
so you can cozy up the new hitler
g.w. bush.

more-than-meets-the-eye
- Friday, February 07, 2003 at 16:16:06 (CST)

To MTMTE....LIKE I SAID BEFORE.....YOUR SCARED!!!!
TEXAS PATRIOT
- Friday, February 07, 2003 at 16:10:55 (CST)

no..not ashamed to tell. but i'm not goin to
give the idiots like you, the opportunity to
inform to the SS/homeland security troops
like where the hell is sean penn.
is he sitting in some detention
cell right now. with rights removed
because he dared to speak out
and hold a different opinion than
what the bushita's want everyone
to spout?
yeah folks learn about the patriot act, homeland security.
you can be locked up for 120 days
with no contact to the outside
world..no contact with a lawyer
and your family doesn't even
have to be notified you've been
scooped..and that 120 days
can be extended..for a year..and
then another year..yup..you
just disappear.
thanks to brain dead americans
like the texas patsy.
more-than-meets-the-eye
- Friday, February 07, 2003 at 16:03:16 (CST)

To More Than Meets The Eye. "You still haven't said where you are from. Are you ashamed to tell it?
TEXAS PATRIOT
- Friday, February 07, 2003 at 15:58:07 (CST)

yup patsy baby you got a rise
out of me..with your ignorance.
how many ppl in europe died
so american corporate slime balls
could profit. and then hollywood
ala john wayne brainwashes the american
public into thinking they saved
the world.
sorry, it was brits/canadians,
aussies, and other allied troops
who saved the world..who held off
hitler..why bush and company
sold them weapons and funded the
3rd riech. learn some history.
don't be another dumb american
fuck..coz that's all you are.
you've been brainswashed and
bought into america is the
greatest nation on earth.
when it doesn't even take
care of its own ppl.
but will spend on military/defense
like there is no tomorrow.

america is pathetic. it claims
it's greatest on the blood of
my ancestors who fought in the
american revolution. so idiots
like you can believe you are
patriots..when you are nationalists.
hitler's germany rose to power
on the voice of the nationalists.

you are a cheap illusion..just
like john wayne gacy..heterosexual community
leader by day..and homosexual
night stalker of young boys.

yeah..keep up the good work john wayne gacy
clone. you are no patriot.
more-than-meets-the-eye
- Friday, February 07, 2003 at 15:49:15 (CST)

oops, i made a mistake. it's part
3 of the bbc4 production
between iraq and a hard place.

here's the dialogue/script.
JOHN FORTUNE:
Justice from the people who gave you Guantanamo Bay?
And Economic Strength from the people who brought you Enron.

V/O WITH FOOTAGE:
We all know the big guys.
The guys who make things happen in
life. But behind every big guy
there�s someone else. Someone
even more special.

A really big guy. Guys who make the wheels
turn in this great country of ours.
Meet Thomas White, former Vice Chairman
of Enron Energy Services. While he was
in the job Enron rigged and exploited
California�s electricity market,
causing chaos, power cuts, and
unemployment, in what the Senate
investigator called, �A mob style
protection racket�. He doesn�t work
there any more.

He�s now Secretary of the US Army.

Meet Larry Thompson. He headed up the audit
and compliance committee of Providian.
This insurance firm was forced to
pay $400m in fines and compensation
after swindling it�s investors,
the frail and elderly, of most
of their savings. Larry later
faced personal claims of insider
trading, after selling $4m of
Providian stock just before
the share price dropped.

But he doesn�t work there any more.
He�s now George Bush�s fraud buster,
charged with restoring faith in
American business ethics.

And meet Dick Cheney, head of the
Republican Committee to find a Vice
Presidential candidate. He found himself!
He sold �30m of his shares as Chief Executive
of an engineering company Halliburton,
after accounting changes allegedly
inflated the share price by �234m.
The shares later collapsed,
and Halliburton are now under
investigation by the Securities
and Exchange Commission.

It�s thanks to men like Tom, Dick and Larry,
that the biggest of the big guys, our
great leader George W Bush can
stand proud and say.

BUSH:
We should be able to punish corporate
leaders who are convicted of abusing
their powers.

By banning them from ever serving
again as officers or directors of
a publicly held corporation.

V/O:
George Bush, and he should know
because he�s been arrested 3 times
for different offences, and only
got off with $800,000 oil shares
trading charge when the
investigator, appointed by his father said
there was insufficient evidence
to proceed.

God bless you America, and God bless men
like this who do so much to truly make
our nation what it is today.

APPLAUSE

RORY STANDUP

RORY:
There�s a huge opportunity here
if George Bush is serious about
bringing down Saddam he shouldn�t
send in the military. He should send
in teams of American accountants.

These guys are used to running
utilities like Enron. Even the British
could help with people like George Simpson.

In his last year in charge of Marconi,
one of our biggest defence suppliers,
the company�s value crashed from nearly
�35 billion to under one and a half billion
pounds. That�s the kind of guy we need.

He could destroy Iraq�s weapons capability
in 2 years. You think I�m joking.
20 years ago what was the biggest threat
to world peace?

The Soviet Union. And Gorbachev woke up
one morning and thought, let�s try capitalism.

And they�re buggered for a generation.
They�re no threat to anyone, they�re too
busy setting up Macdonalds and Starbucks.

And Iraq�s a whole new market.

Imagine the possibilities. New outlets everywhere.
Burkha King, Donna Koran. Bars selling Mullah Lite.
Of course that wouldn�t exactly have
them dancing in the caves of Tora-Bora.

click my name to link to this
very funny and information bbc4
production

more-than-meets-the-eye
- Friday, February 07, 2003 at 15:38:17 (CST)

To More-Than-Meets-The-Eye......
First of all, You didn't say where you were from.

If you are an American I see you got your education from extreme-right-wing books and pamphlets like "It's a Goddamn Government Conspiracy"

So instead of us going back and forth.....
"Your side lies"
"No your side is lying to you"
so on and so forth.

LET'S JUST HAVE A WAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Cry two tears in a bucket, fuck it.....
LET'S TAKE TO THE STAGE!!!!!!!!!!!!

PS I apologize for any previous personal attacks on you. I only did it to get a rise out of you....mission accomplished.
TEXAS PATRIOT
USA - Friday, February 07, 2003 at 15:35:36 (CST)

rofl..the texan pat(sy) is doing
a wonderful immatation of
john wayne ain't he.
good grief man. you did
a little reading on this
list huh..collected a few
names..
um-er..i'm female..and i'm not
scared..i'm pissed off at red neck
pukes like you..red neck
ill informed jack booted goose
stepping nationalists who support
a president who rise to fame
and power was funded by nazi's profits
his family made. funded by profits
from auschwitz..yeah..funded
by money made from experimenting
on ppl..torturing them.

good old poppy bush and baby bush
funded by the blood of others in their
rise to fame and power. read the bush
bio. you support a bloody fascist dicatatorship.
a lying, election stealing dictatorship.
you are a pathetic excuse for
an american..you're a damn good
nazi tho. have you had your
dr. delgado killdroid chip installed
yet?
being from texas, you more than anyone
else on this msg board should
know how corrupt the bushita's are.
bush is corporate owned and driven.
visit the bbc4 production.
segment 4 see who he has in
power with him. criminals.
con artists liars thieves
ppl who profit off of other
ppl.
pathetic..and disgusting
you would even dare consider
yourself a patriot..you are
a bloody sellout of the american
dream..and all it hopes for.
read about the CIA and murders
it has committed.
look on this board for the date
sept 11, 1973..yeah the first 9/11.
the CIA was responsible for that
bit of terrorism.

totally disgusted with you and your
red neck ilk..the usa didn't save
europe from the nazi's. in fact it
sat on its duff with many of it's modern
upper income families still living
off the profit.

americans are hated on the continent.
wake up little rose bud..you're nothing
but an ill informed blooming
idiot..beating on your war drums.
g'head sacrifice yourself. but leave
the rest of us out of it.
ken o'keefe is more american than you
are.
read the patriot act, read the
homeland security act..and then
read the constitution.
dirt bag.

more-than-meets-the-eye
- Friday, February 07, 2003 at 15:08:45 (CST)

Hey Ronnie! Welcome back dude! Where ya been? Wrting speeches for MINORITY leader Pelosi, or having tea with Sean Penn and Hanoi Jane? AHAHAHAHAHAHH
CROW
- Friday, February 07, 2003 at 15:01:26 (CST)

WRONG Cyd, our ecommany was going in the toilet before Bush got there.
Hassan
- Friday, February 07, 2003 at 14:54:51 (CST)

I would like to apologize for the post left by my fellow Americans; Cydney, Donna and possibly Jeannette (she didn't say where she was from)
They are woman and they are easy frightened.
However, I promise you the MEN that are coming to Bagdad are like myself. They are some bad motherfuckers trained to fight in chemical and biological warfare. So be my guest and scare our women and children.

Now Scrawny Ronnie didn't say where he was from either. But if you are an american, you are a sorry weak puke that doesn't deserve the freedom you live under. You are the kind that gets us real MEN killed in battle with your crying and sniveling.

And by the way, if chemical or biological weapons are used we are not going to retaliate with daisies.

Susan from Canada, Have you ever heard of the Monroe doctrine? (President Monroe) I have news for you . It wasn't Canada's army that prevented the communist from invading North America.

Same goes for you Anton, During the some fifty years of the cold war it sure wasn't the Mighty Dutch Army holding the Reds out of western FREE Europe. "Oh no they're going to throw some tulips at me!"

So those of you who live free and prosperous can thank the Good Old U.S. of fucking A for that privilege.
Those of you who are NOT free be patient..."THE AMERICANS ARE COMING!"

I almost forgot........
More-than-meets-the-eye please come to Texas where......... MY-BOOT-WILL-MEET-YOUR-ASS
TEXAS PATRIOT
TEXAS-USA - Friday, February 07, 2003 at 14:51:46 (CST)

sarah
the UN was designed to do that.
however, it keeps getting co-opted
by ppl who are associated with the bilderbergers
that includes the current president of the us of a.
dubya, is more of an immediate
menace to america and the world
as a whole, than sodamn insane is.
impeach bush, and work towards
controlling sodamn and the other
despostic rulers in many other
countries of the world.

more-than-meets-the-eye
- Friday, February 07, 2003 at 14:50:43 (CST)

i just don't think that a war is the answer..if we move forward to get rid of this corruption in a more realistic manner we will be a step closer to world peace.
sarah <srobchief@hotmail.com>
pa usa - Friday, February 07, 2003 at 14:42:55 (CST)

hey tex
click on my name for a direct link
to the bbc4's between iraq and
a hard place.
in it you will find information
that demonstrates your
is the war on iraq justisfied

only presents partical info..info
designed to rile the populace,
info designed to justify the war.
your url is full of half info.
just as colin powell presented
a college kid's theory that
iraq was a danger.

i do recommend ppl read your url,
but i also recommend they view the between
iraq and a hard place video or read the transcript.
then they will be more able to make
an informed decision.
remember click on my name of a quick link to the bbc4's
between iraq and a hard place.

oh..and tex..what's the difference
between a patriot and a nationalist?

no true american patriot supports
the homeland security act or the patriot
act. they are breeches of the constitution.
however, nationalists do support giving
away the rights and freedoms that
the warriors of 1776 ..the patriots
gave them.
more-than-meets-the-eye
- Friday, February 07, 2003 at 13:48:12 (CST)

.
Texas Patriot
- Friday, February 07, 2003 at 13:29:54 (CST)

hmm
ICBM - Illigitimate Corporate Bush MAFIA
authorised use..to attack weaker countries for
their natural resources.
more-than-meets-the-eye
- Friday, February 07, 2003 at 13:07:11 (CST)

IS WAR ON IRAQ JUSTIFIED?

Published: Feb. 1, 2003

Why has the war on terrorism against Al Queda become a war on Iraq?. As with most Americans, according to the polls, I want to see some proof that the charges against Iraq are true and justified before we send one soldier into battle there. With or without proof, it seems that President Bush is determined to have his war, defeat Saddam Hussein, and take control of Iraqi oil. Is that what's behind his obsession with Iraq, or is it that Hussein tried to assassinate his father and it's become a personal issue with him?
Since when does America invade another country without provocation or in defense of our allies on the grounds that we think this country might become a threat to us in time? This has never been the policy of America before. Doesn't this amount to just about the same thing as Iraq invading Kuwait in 1990?
This started out to be a "war on terror" waged against terrorist groups such as Al Queda, who threaten and attacked our country and citizens abroad. I don't know of any instances where Iraq was involved or responsible for a terrorist attack on our citizens, they have all been traced back to Al Queda. In spite of the Bush administration's attempts at connecting Saddam Hussein with Al Queda, the evidence continues to show that there is no connection and in fact, they don't even like eachother. Shouldn't our priorities now be fighting against terrorism and capturing and eliminating those responsible for 911? Mr Bush seems to be using the war on terror as an excuse to wage war on Iraq without due justification, OR IS HE? What information does the President have that has not been released to the news media or the public?
Since beginning this page I have learned more about this issue and now feel we have to consider the other side of the coin. Saddam Hussein is a danger and a threat to the free world and must be removed from power before he unleashes more terror and death on civilians and citizens of America, our allies, and his own people. The attempts at connecting the Hussein regime with Al Queda may be more of a public relations issue than anything else to gain support for a war on Iraq but they are both a threat to the security of the free world. In reality, although Hussein has a history of financial and other support to terrorists (especially Palestineans), they are two separate issues and two different threats to world peace, both involving terrorism. It's like fighting a war on two different fronts against two different enemies like we did in WW2 with the Germans and the Japanese. The Tallaban has been put out of business and Al Queda is on the run and still being persued and arrested wherever found. We have other faces of terrorism to deal with as well, in the interest of freedom and security of the Western World.
We have to recognize that Hussein has been in violation of the agreement that he made in 1991 that brought an end to the Gulf War and saved his military dictatorship from destruction. We could simply look at this as a continuing where we left off in 91 with an unfinished war. Another 24 to 48 hours, and we would have eliminated the Republican Guard completely and could have walked right into Bagdad and taken Hussein, so why didn't we? At that time our mission was to drive the Iraqi army out of Kuwait, not to remove the Hussein regime from power. Also, President Bush Sr. was practically ordered by the Saudi government to withdraw immediately and leave Hussein in power, and that's when he gave the order to pull out. Had he stood up to the Saudies and finished the job then, we wouldn't have this trouble with Iraq now. Bush Sr. didn't feel he had the legal right, or UN approval to remove Hussein from power then, so he gave in to the Saudi demands.
The real issue with Iraq is not international terrorism as with Al Queda, but their development and use of WMD ("weapons of mass destruction"). These types of weapons were banned by treaty by all the major powers and civilized coutries of the world since the Geneva Convention of 1925. The Biological Weapons Convention (BWC) was reopened in 1969 and ratified by the United Nations members in 1972. Since then, the BWC has met, reviewed, and reratified the treaty with new members every few years. It is the decission of civilized nations throughout the world that these types of weapons are too grusome and cruel even for use in a war.
Hussein agreed to the UN "resolution 1441" that stated that these weapons must be destroyed and no longer developed. He has not keep his part of the bargain but has instead, continued to develop and hide these devices. The UN Inspectors won't find a trace of them now. Hussien has had plenty of time to hide them along with all evidence of their existence, but there is no doubt that they do exist and will be used again, probably against our troops when they invade Iraq.
This morning, the space shuttle Columbia suffered structural failure and disintegrated over Texas during re-entry. Immediately rumors started flying about possible terrorism. Of course the chances of terrorism being involved in this are extremely remote, but this demonstrates the fear of terrorism that Americans are living with everyday now. It's just a matter of time before we see another 911 type incident here if we don't take steps to prevent it. Saddam Hussein would like nothing better than to be responsible for an act like this and this is what he intends if he is not stopped now. Should we wait for him to take another step against the free world before we do anything about it? How long do we want to live in fear of another major act of terrorism on our soil? The goals and aspirations of Saddam Hussein are no different than those of Osama Bin Laden where the Western world is concerned.
Saddam Hussein is an extremely evil man. He cares about nothing but his own power and wealth and is willing to sacrifice every man, woman and child in Iraq if necessary to preserve his power. After coming into power, within 2 weeks he assinated two thirds of his cabinet just to assure there would be no opposition to his rule and to set an example for anyone considering opposing him. He has been ruler and dictator of Iraq for 30 years and has been engaged in war for 90% of that time. He is an animal who will kill anyone and everyone who stands in his way of domination of the entire Middle East region and control of the largest oil resources in the world.
The Iatola Khomeini of Iran was a She'ite Muslim as are 40% of the people in Iraq living in the Southern region. When the Iatola came into power in Iran, Hussein, being a Sunni Muslim, feared that Iraqi She'its would unite with Iranian She'ites to overthrow him, so to prevent this from happening, he launched a war against Iran. After 5 years of fighting, he found he was loosing the war and began using chemical weapons of mass destruction against Iranian troops. Thousands died a horrible slow death from these weapons and this gave him the edge he needed to get the upper hand, and a cease fire was declared. The Curds in the north were also rising up against Hussein so he gassed 100,000 of them with nerve agents just to teach them a lesson, they also died a slow agonizing death. These Curds who died were not soldiers, they were civilian men, women and children living in their towns and villages in Northern Iraq who dared to oppose Hussein.
The people in Iraq live in fear of their lives everyday knowing that any indication of anything other than total and complete support for Hussein will result in their death. Publicly, they can only say they support Hussein, but privately, they are crying to be liberated from his oppression, dominance, abuse, and lust for power. Hussien's goal is to rule the entire Middle East region and he will stop at nothing to reach that goal. His people are nothing more than fodder for him to use and sacrifice as needed to maintain his power. At the start of the war with Iran, Hussein was noted as saying "When I came into power, we had 13 million people. Now we have 18 million so we can spare some". His weapons of mass destruction are far more important to him than the welfare of his people and the majority of the country's income is spent not on domestic interests, but on weapons and maintaining his personal army, the Republican Guard, to assure his unchallenged position as supreme dictator of Iraq. This man is as evil as they come and is perhaps more of a threat to the free world than Osama Bin Laden. These weapons he used on Iranians and the Curds, he will use on America and any other country that opposes him if he is allowed to develope the means to deliver them. That is why he must be stopped now. There are much larger concerns here for the Bush administration to worry about than just the control of oil resources. The security of the entire free world is at stake.
I can understand the Bush administration's frustration with this game of hide and seek that Hussein has been playing with the inspectors. He did not allow them into his country until he was satisfied that they would not find anything, then welcomed them in with open arms and promised full cooperation. He has not delivered on that promise and continues to restrict and conceal information from the inspectors. He is giving his full cooperation and allowing the inspectors to do their job just as long as they don't get close to any of his WMD. His weapons declaration was full of holes and tens of thousands of weapons have not been accounted for, so where are they?
It has not been widely reported that the inspectors are NOT ALLOWED TO INSPECT IRAQI MILITARY INSTALLATIONS. What better place to hide weapons that you don't want them to find and where they are easily accessible to the Iraqi army. Why do the rules for inspections leave this gaping hole in them? If you're looking for weapons, wouldn't military installations be the first place you'd look? Just what exactly is going on here? I must be reminded here that the mission of the inspectors is not to find hidden WMD, but to varify information that they already have.
The current mission of the inspectors is not to find WMD, but to verify Iraq's weapons declaration, and to varify that sites previously use for the development of WMD are not now being used for that purpose. If they did happen to stumble upon any WMD it would be purely by accident and just frosting on the cake. It would also provide the proof the world is asking for before going to war but this is not likely to happen. These inspections, for the most part, are just a waste of time and are merely verifying that empty boxes are still empty. Hussein is still not going to allow the inspectors to get anywhere near his WMD and if he thought there was a chance of them finding them, he would not have allowed them into the country.
Disarming Hussein by force does not depend on what the inspectors find or don't find. The fact remains that WMD were known to exist when the inspection team left Iraq in 1998 and have not been accounted for. These include chemical and biological materials and warhead casings to contain them. There is also considerable evidence of continuing development of Iraqi's nuclear weapons program, including purchases of materials and components used in reactors for enriching uranium, and the attempted purchases of nuclear materials such as uranium U235 and plutonium. Materials and components have been supplied by Germany, France, Russia, and North Korea who have been doing business with Saddam during the sanctions. Nuclear materials have been available on the Russian black market and it's unknown if any of those have reached Iraq. Is it any wonder that Germany, France, and Russia want to hold back on a declaration of war which would have an effect on their trading for oil with Saddam?
The question is; is that our problem to deal with alone, or should a war on Iraq be an international decision? If we take it upon ourselves to police the entire world, how is this going to look to other countries and will they consider us a threat to them as well? President Bush made a promise to the American people to put an end to international terrorism and he is trying to do his best to do just that, with or without the help of the UN. Maybe he has ulterior motives for his aggressive behavior regarding Iraq, or maybe his international politics just need a little manicuring. In any case, there is little doubt that if Hussein isn't removed from power, he will continue to be a danger and a threat in the region and bring about more death and destruction. On the other hand, if Bush acts alone against Iraq it could bring on international conflict resulting in WWIII. A tough decision for any president to have to make.
It appears that the war on Iraq is inevitable now. Will Saddam unleash his deadly weapons on the world? Some experts think he will. Could these be the plagues talked about in the Book of Revelations? If this happens, it will certainly convince the world that our President was right about Hussein having the weapons. But what if we didn't attack and trigger the use of these WMD? Hussien would still be in power and still have the weapons. The western world is Hussein's sworn enemy. Sooner or later, he would have the ability and the opportunity to unleash these weapons on our own soil and that of our allies in Europe and the Middle East. A package the size of a briefcase containing VX gas or one of the biological toxins could kill everyone in a city the size of New York. The threat of this happening without warning is the fate that awaits us if Hussein is not dealt with now. A year from now, he could have nuclear weapons and would not hesitate to use them.
Do those who oppose war on Iraq really want to live with these fears, knowing that it's just a matter of time until they are realized? Does anyone really believe that these weapons do not exist in Iraq? If so, then I challenge them to explain what happened to them and when. Saddam Hussein has so far been unable to document the destruction of these weapons and materials that were known to exist in 1998, yet he now says he doesn't have them. The UN inspectors are there to help him find them but he certainly does not want there help, nor does he want them found. Some are saying we should settle this issue through diplomacy. We have been trying to do just that for the past 12 years and have gotten nowhere with Hussein. How many more years of diplomacy will it take to show that it isn't working? It's been a waste of effort for 12 years now, and will will still be a waste of effort in another 12 years. This issue will never be settled by the use of diplomacy with Saddam Hussein.
Next Wednesday, Secretary of State Colon Powell will address the UN Security Council with previously classified evidence of Iraq's material breaches of the UN Resolutions. This evidence will be in the form of aerial and satellite photos of Iraqi trucks moving out materials from weapons sites about to be inspected, intelligence reports from Iraqi insiders on Hussein's covert activities to hide WMD from inspectors, and recordings of communications directing and discussing the removal and movement of WMD in advance of the UN inspectors arrivals at sites. There will be no doubt that Hussein has been in material breach of the UN Resolutions. This evidence has not previously been released for the protection of the inside sources. If these sources cannot be removed from Iraq by the time of the briefing, it will cost them their lives.
As we enter into this second war with Iraq, Saddam Hussein knows, this time it is going to be a war to the death for him. In the last war, the United Nations voted against any action to remove Hussein from power. When we fought in 1991, Hussein was warned that any use of his WMD would result in our retaliation with weapons of equal or greater devastation, this descouraged him from using them although some chemical agents were released into the air during their destruction. This time it is expected to be different. Hussein would rather see the region totally destroyed and everyone dead than to let it exist without his rule. We can expect that he will use every weapon in his arsenal without regard for the safety of his own people. We can also expect that he will attempt to destroy the Iraqi oil fields without consideration for the Iraqi people who will need to depend on them for income after he is gone. Proceeds from Iraqi oil, after the war, is already set to go into a trust fund for the Iraqi people by the UN. It will no longer be going into the pockets of Saddam Hussein, nor will it be going into the bank accounts of George W. Bush, despite what some may think. Some of the oil money is also expected to be used in the rebuilding of Iraq instead of the United States footing the bill for it. I think most American would approve of this plan.
I have tried to present the facts here as I have come to understand them. We will each have to make up our own minds whether this war is justified or if we want to let this threat continue until it is unleashed on us and our citizens in other parts of the world. If we ignore it, it won't go away and will only get worse, and sooner or later, we will have to deal with it again. WMD are not defensive weapons, they are weapons of terrorism and will be used by terrorists if we allow them to go unchecked. If we have to resolve this world threat by force and use of the military, lets hope it's with the unanimous approval of the United Nations Security Council and is brought to a speedy conclusion with as few casualties as possible. The war can still be avoided, but only if Hussein comes clean and surrenders his Weapons of Mass Destruction before it's too late.

http://www.wtv-zone.com/techniguy/political/war.html
Texas Patriot
USA - Friday, February 07, 2003 at 13:06:35 (CST)

Sadamn Insane, we have a missle with your name on it. Can you say ICBM???
Eagle Eye
Washington DC, USA - Friday, February 07, 2003 at 11:56:46 (CST)

oh dear, i really should quit
listening to bbc news.
they've just announced colin powell
used some british gained
intelligence in his presentation
to the un security council.
oh dear, the british intelligence
got their info from a university
student's academic paper.
the student didn't attribute
his/her sources of info. but
just had "this" theory.
hmm. and the iraqi spokesman
yesterday was saying the satellite
photos of the missle building
plants were old..yup, folks
the un inspectors had been to
those sites already.

like can we say bush is
desperate to convince the world
that sodamn is evil. that he
is basing his reasons for war
on old photos, and student summations
of the situation.

geez, the american public is
gullible, naive and being
hoaxed by the dc propaganda
machine.

get satellite tv ppl find out
what is really going on in the
world.

ppl are laughing at the ignorance
of the usa and its citizens.
a bunch of chicken littles
running around yelling the
sky is falling, the sky is falling.
mean while foxy loxy is the one who
is telling them the sky is falling.

geez..the british have more
balls than yankees..the brits
are calling their leader to the carpet
they want explanations. they
want the truth. blair is squirming.

isn't it time america woke
up and demanded real answers
from washington.

what a pile sheeples..baaaing
the rhetoric of a bushwhacko shrub.

more-than-meets-the-eye
- Friday, February 07, 2003 at 11:19:52 (CST)

hey, ronnie
good to see you back.
what i'm finding interesting is
yesterday, i spent listening/watching
bbc newsworld. last evening, i played
tv roulette swapping back and
forth between CNN, MSNBC trying
to see the similiarities of newscoverage

well, gee bbc is saying korea
has said, they will make the
first strike, if the usa continues
with it's troop build up in south
korea.

now today, the homeland security
has been elevated to high level.
however, cnn/msnbc are both
reporting that it is because
of increased terrorist chatter
re: muslims.

why the hell can't bushwhacko
and his thugs via the talking
media heads be more honest with the
american public?

um, err..if korea should make
some sort of attack on americans
will it be blamed on the islamic
terrorists?

i mean it would suit the gov's
purpose..bush baby wants a war
with iraq..ergo he needs to
incite fear and loathing amongst
the uninformed so that they will
follow like lemmings to sacrifice
the blood of the american so he and
his corporate cohorts can have
unfettered access to middle eastern
oil.

more-than-meets-the-eye
- Friday, February 07, 2003 at 10:15:40 (CST)

for the people Americans, ( since it seems, the U.S. is the only country)
that want the U.S. to Ruch to war
should do a quick check( try a google search) of the
military capabalities of North
Korea.

Just check on North Korea Submarines,

How is the U.S. going to destroy Iraq, North Korea, ( and Iran,) without
having thousands of their soldiers killes?

Past indicatations have shown the world,
that North Korea fights to the death.

They have enough Subs, the do considerable damage.
The arrogant warmongering U.S. could even
nuke North Korea off the face of the earth
and North Korean Subs could strike back.

You republican war mongers, really must have a low intelligence.
Ronnie
- Friday, February 07, 2003 at 09:44:56 (CST)

well, they do say immatation is
the most sincere form of flattery.
so i must thank whichever of you
neo-nazi, rednecks who is attempting
to use my nickname. i'm still blushing
from the honor.

err...get off the conspiracy
theory kick..the thermobarbic
bomb is also reported in the
mainstream media.
bbc4 is mainstream media.
what you don't often see
reporter in the mainstream
media is the bilderbergers.
why? because, they don't want
ppl to know they exist. and that
their existance is for the control
of the social-political economy of
the planet.
the bilderbergers also own most
of the mainstream media.
to learn more about the bilderbergers
goto http://www.bilderberg.org
quick link ..click on my name.

hey..anyone heard anything/news
about the return of sean penn from
iraq? he was only supposed to
be there for a few days..how long
ago was that? remember he does
have little kids, so i don't think
he'd be extending his visit significantly.

don't forget to try to access the bbcnewsworld
channel tomorrow for the blair
interview by the ppl of england.
more-than-meets-the-eye
- Friday, February 07, 2003 at 08:51:55 (CST)

Please, please dont let this happen.. I emplore the powers that be to stop this cat and mouse game of war.We as U.S. citizans have no right to meddle in the affaires of other countrys period..:( I'm a mother of two of the most beautiful girls in the world. well they are to me i would die for them,but my point is we should not now nor ever go to war with Iraq. They love their children too..I right this with much pain and a heavy heart. We not need the blood of inocents on our hands.Nor does Iraq, they love their family's as well.I would wish that what i'm typing is not in vain and that someone will read it and reply to me.. To help me make sence of what i'm going through in my heart.Right now i hate our president as do many millions in this country and other countrys abraud.Personally i would have him be assainated or die of heart diesease. He is a war monger and we in this country know it and hate him.He has ruend our ecommany or budjet etc. etc, and he needs a scape goat, and feels that Iraq is that scape goat.:((.I emplore whom ever this reaches please help me a housewife and mother with 2 little girls ages 2 / 3 to understand this madness.Thank you for letting me kinda spill my guts... Love and God Bless Cydney Sanok salt lake city ut 84105
Cydney <cydneyrose2002@yahoo.com>
salt lake city, ut usa - Friday, February 07, 2003 at 02:28:13 (CST)

I would like to tell Saddom, he is SAD dumb like a dumb-boro. which ever fits him the best. You can abuse a boro but you can't make him do what he is supposed to do. Does the shoe fit? Saddom you must be so stupid that a brick could hit u in the head and you wouldn't know it. Like a boro. If the USA wanted we could vaporize u. but have to much respect for the human race to kill your people. I feel bad for them! However u,and the republican guard I will be glad when u are a vapor. The guard along with u.
K. Payne <ken4fun@pcez.com>
Hillsboro, OR USA - Friday, February 07, 2003 at 01:56:39 (CST)

I would like to tell Saddom, he is SAD dumb like a dumb-boro. which ever fits him the best. You can abuse a boro but you can't make him do what he is supposed to do. Does the shoe fit? Saddom you must be so stupid that a brick could hit u in the head and you wouldn't know it. Like a boro. If the USA wanted we could vaporize u. but have to much respect for the human race to kill your people. I feel bad for them! However u,and the republican guard I will be glad when u are a vapor. The guard alone with u.
K. Payne <ken4fun@pcez.com>
Hillsboro, OR USA - Friday, February 07, 2003 at 01:56:13 (CST)

DARRRR you redneck republicans! you redneck businessmen! you redneck successful people! darrr
wait a minute what's a redneck again? anyway, please excuse me while I ignore the real problems of
the world and look up some more conspiracy websites for the sake of the children.
more-than-meets-the-eye
- Friday, February 07, 2003 at 01:35:10 (CST)

dear cuzzin less than..yall is showing
yer lack of infurrmatshun.
like da reason da i-rak keeys wants
da yer-rain-ee-yum..an alou min num tubes.
dey all'n jes wanna be ables ta fite
lak us'n merkikins can.
see
http://www.xs4all.nl/~stgvisie/VISIE/thermobaricbomb.html

and this'n yu R el..hasn' pitchers.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/1854371.stm

ah am reelly sarry i'se haid ta
rite dis heer'n e-male in dum ass red nek tall-k. butt'n
i no'ed i haid ta dum it down fer
yall.

click on ma name fer a nudder link
for thermobaric bombs.

err..these are short range items.
yup..yup..those iraqi's want nuclear
power..jes like the americans has.
more-than-meets-the-eye
- Thursday, February 06, 2003 at 23:59:49 (CST)

I think terrorists should be allowed to get their hands on nukes. I think we should tell them not to do so, but
if they do it anyway we shouldn't go to war or anything. It's not worth it. We need to wait for them
to hit us before we hit them. We need to follow the pattern we have been with al-qaida and let them strike
first before we get a clue and go after them. If prevention is the only way to defend terrorism, then well I
guess we have to let the terrorists have their way.

We need to stay like France and shut down any evidence that might lead to war before it is even presented. For
the sake of the children! (but not the 9/11 people cuz they're already dead). War is never the answer! When Hitler invaded Poland, we
should have been more understanding.

Even though ten times more people will die if we don't move in, I am still right and my political conspiracies stand as evidence!!
less-than-meets-the-eye
- Thursday, February 06, 2003 at 23:36:37 (CST)

I think terrorists should be allowed to get their hands on nukes. I think we should tell them not to do so, but
if they do it anyway we shouldn't go to war or anything. It's not worth it. We need to wait for them
to hit us before we hit them. We need to follow the pattern we have been with al-qaida and let them strike
first before we get a clue and go after them. If prevention is the only way to defend terrorism, then well I
guess we have to let the terrorists have their way.

We need to stay like France and shut down any evidence that might lead to war before it is even presented. For
the sake of the children! (but not the 9/11 people cuz they're already dead). War is never the answer! When Hitler invaded Poland, we should have been more understanding.

Even though ten times more people will die if we don't move in, I am still right and my political conspiracies stand as evidence!!
less-than-meets-the-eye
- Thursday, February 06, 2003 at 23:33:39 (CST)

hey folks..bbc is airing an
interview with tony blair and
an audience who are asking him
hard questions. the ads for it
it are very interesting.

hmm..blair looks like he's
doing a fair bit of squirming.
kind of backing down on his
war mongering stance. yup, he
even said he doesn't have the
authority to declare war with
out parliament's support.

the british parliament is not
in favor of war..so, it looks
like blair has just been a puppet
for bushwhacko.

the british ppl don't want war.
the want and end to terrorism.
they just busted another cell working
in england/scotland.
germany doesn't want war..
they want an end to terrorism.
they just busted another cell
working in germany.

hell, most ppl don't want war.
only bush and his corporate driven
oil glutton buddies want war..
well, them and the uninformed
rednecks. i really do suggest
getting access to satellite
tv and wean yourself off a diet of
government produced propaganda
broadcast via CNN and MNSBC.

oh yeah..on the last bbc4 posting
i made..click on my name for a direct
link to the program.
between iraq and a hard place.

more-than-meets-the-eye
- Thursday, February 06, 2003 at 21:54:35 (CST)

another outtake from
BBC4's Between Iraq and a hard place.
RORY:
Tony Blair maintains that whenever they�re
given a chance, people all around the world
embrace the values we share in the West.
Even now there are people in Iraq hoping
the bombs will stop falling on their
heads so they can rush out and
buy shares in BP. So who are
these new crusaders? Are they
all like Congressman John
Cooksey, looking for �anyone
with a diaper on his head and
a fan belt around that diaper�.

And what values do they bring?
Well the values of the new America.
Democracy George Bush style.
No more 100% victories but a new
system where there are two candidates,
and the one with the most votes
loses. Freedom under the rule of
law from the administration that�s
ignoring or refusing to sign a
whole list of international treaties.

JOHN FORTUNE:
Justice from the people who gave you
Guantanamo Bay?
And Economic Strength from
the people who brought you Enron.
more-than-meets-the-eye
- Thursday, February 06, 2003 at 21:29:17 (CST)

hmm..you believe the iraqi's are liars.
but you don't believe your own government will
decieve you.
nixon didn't lie.
reagan didn't lie.
clinton didn't lie.
bush 1 and 2 didn't lie.
hell, bushbaby didn't steal an
election with the assistance of
his brother.

wake up..little rose bud. or you're gonna
be nothing but a bloomin' idiot.

more-than-meets-the-eye
- Thursday, February 06, 2003 at 19:23:56 (CST)

To the Palestinins suffering since 1948 under the oppression of the "STATE OF ISRAEL", i have shed many tears, and said many prayers. In my version of the BIBLE, (King James Edition), they are murderers, and do not have the blessing of GOD to do what they have done, nor to take Palestine.
To any Iraqi citizens, I want to apologise for the man who stole the election, and became our leader. He does not speak for America; our protests and petitions have fallen on deaf ears. America is no longer the Christian nation we so loudly proclaim to be. Our warmonger President is going to do what he wants, in spite of the U.N. and the will of the American people. This just assures a Democratic Party win the next election. However, I wish to deeply express my anguish and sorrow over what this monster is about to do to you. All real Christians and peoplke who serve GOD in this country will be praying for you. May GOD keep his protecting hands on you and your children.
To any people or organizations that have resorted to violence in order to make the world hear your plight. I understand your frustration,; much like the Palestinians', and know how frustration over an appalling wrong that noone will listen to can make you want to stop the killing, stop the occupation, stop the tyranny...ANYWAY POSSIBlE. GOD bless all!!!
Donna Houpt <momissua@hotmail.com>
Carterville, Missouri USA - Thursday, February 06, 2003 at 18:26:01 (CST)

Hey Anton, go retape your glasses, polish up your pocket protector, and shut the fuck up you little geek. Does your mommy know your butting in on adult conversations? Keep your ridiculous adolescent rhetoric to yourself tulip boy! I see stupid people. Theyre everywhere. They dont even know they're stupid.
Times Up!
- Thursday, February 06, 2003 at 16:46:38 (CST)

THE WAR AGAINST SO COLD "CHANGE OF THE REGIME" IS THE WAR AGAINST ISLAM.
Adis <adis@synergyandco.fsnet.co.uk>
UK, - Thursday, February 06, 2003 at 16:14:00 (CST)

Notice how Egypt rolled over the first day after 9/11? This current terrorist movement originated from cells in Egypt, and Egypt ousted them immediately. Do these people protest their government taking the Anit-Christ's money? No, not likely. Instead like the people here in U.S. that want to sue McDonalds for getting them fat, these Terrorists blame the U.S., for their countries getting fat off of the United States Teat.
Hundreds of thousands of muslims are living their lives out here in the U.S., without the fear of them and their families being killed because the differ in opinion from their government.
Not like the brazen giant of Greek fame,
With conquering limbs astride from land to land;
Here at our sea-washed, sunset gates shall stand
A mighty woman with a torch, whose flame
Is the imprisoned lightning, and her name
Mother of Exiles. From her beacon-hand
Glows world-wide welcome; her mild eyes command
The air-bridged harbor that twin cities frame.

"Keep ancient lands, your storied pomp!" cries she
with silent lips. "Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"

Americans = Those of your countries that were/are sick of living under your oppressive regimes.

Egypt gets 3.4 Billion of U.S. money every year.
- Thursday, February 06, 2003 at 12:23:06 (CST)

What is wrong with you people? On one hand your people have wanted independence, and shortly afater getting it, your countries fall into ruin, and your peoples start dying.
Maybe the British should re-take the Arab world and re-establish some stability and send your prospective leaders to leadership school.
Bunch of spoiled children blaming everyone else for their short-comings.

Arabic world not able to govern itself?
- Thursday, February 06, 2003 at 12:06:54 (CST)

OH, you mean the rebuttal that calls everyone that questions the Iraqi regime liars? LOL. Get over your cheap self MTMTE. When we do find out how deluded you are, and how you are perpetrating a lie yourself, will you come back here and admit it? I think not. Then of course there will be another conspiracy to answer with eh? Have you ever been to Iraq MTMTE? NO, then STFU loser. Have you ever seen the republican Guard tear up a neighborhood looking for a dissenter? No? Then you do not know what you are talking about, and are using your warped perspective and biased sound bytes to state your ignorant case. Saddam is lying, has been doing so since long-before he took over(After killing his mentor). OF all the issue one could express concern about, and take pride in, you choose to back a tyrranical leader who in time will be revealed for what he is, even to you. Then, and only then will you see what that reveals about YOU.
Saddam=Megalomainia
- Thursday, February 06, 2003 at 11:59:14 (CST)

Where are the Iraqi's storing the frozen dead bodies of their children today?
Ever been to an anti-USA protest in Iraq? It is funny to watch them practice after driving up in their Porche's and Lexus's, pulling the American flags, and lighter fuild out of their trunks. Standing around and smoking Marlboro's waiting for the camera to turn on..
Ignorance is Bliss
- Thursday, February 06, 2003 at 11:52:06 (CST)

well, ain't it interesting
the BBC right at this moment is
carrying a LIVE rebuttal by an
Iraqi minister regarding colin powell's
90 minute presentation to the security council
meanwhile CNN and MNSBC are carrying
briefings from the whitehouse.

gee. and the american media ain't controlled.
i mean the government wouldn't want the ppl to hear
the other side of the story.
they don't informed consent.
they want war-whooping rednecks.
and the dissents, well, homeland
security and the patriot act
will take care of them.
scoop em up..lock em up. with no
right to contact a lawyer, your family
won't know where you've gone..
you've just disappear..just like
laci peterson..poof gone..

ah..amerikka the free..
hmm
more-than-meets-the-eye
- Thursday, February 06, 2003 at 11:47:44 (CST)

How many of you here actually reside in IRAQ, now?
But that is fine. Hitler had his supporters as well. Most of those that profited from his raping of the european coiffers. Not much different than Iraq invading Kuwait.
Saddam started this, he invaded Kuwait, Kuwait asked the world to help, the WORLD did help. The cease fire was contingent upon complete disarmanent. 12 years have passed, and anything but disarmanent has occured.
Saddam and his regime are the liars, and the Iraqi people are the poor repressed people that back him killing thousands of your own people.
The Americans you bash are you dumbass. Americans consist people from EVERY country in the world.
When the United NATIONS force reveals the lies, I expect all you deluded souls back here to retract your mis-informed rhetoric.
I dare you to speak up against saddam if you have family there. Go ahead.

Oh, and BTW I am american and I can and often do tell our leaders, and write letters to the president telling him what I think sucks ALL THE TIME. Can the Iraq people say the same? Which of the nine Saddam impersonators will you see today? Does it not strike you as strange that your leader has to have doubles? This is not a movie set. YOur leader does not give one single crap about you, and will continue to blame the U.S. for the 5000 children that are dying a month, while his palace's grow in number and size. Sheesh wake up, and see ti for what it is. Of course, if you are fine with being intimidated by a leader that is supposed to be there for you, then so be it. We will not stand by and let your delusion kill thousands or possibly millions more.
Iraq=Great/ Saddam = Evil
- Thursday, February 06, 2003 at 11:41:51 (CST)

No one wants a war! If Bush is trying to protect the world, he cant do it by BOMBING iraq. WKAE UP! Who the hell is the terrorist???
JEannette
- Thursday, February 06, 2003 at 10:42:44 (CST)

As a Canadian all I can say is if a war starts, this will be the an almost end to mankind. Bush is the one selling the weapons to ISrael, not Iraq. America, you guys suck BIGTIME! Even CANADIANS THINK U GUYS ARE SCREWED!!!
Susan <susank@hotmail.com>
VAncouver, Canada - Thursday, February 06, 2003 at 10:40:26 (CST)

ha ha..very funny impersonating me.
anyone who reads the info i post will
realizes, i don't do "satan"..i think dubya is
notradamus's MABUS aka MrBUSh.

more-than-meets-eye
- Wednesday, February 05, 2003 at 23:08:11 (CST)

I think President Bush and and America are the terrorists. They are the Great Satan. But well, see, the thing is, I'm also a dumbass.
more-than-meets-the-eye
- Wednesday, February 05, 2003 at 21:11:05 (CST)

hey carlock..
i'll probably hangout here
until i get scooped the usa's gestapo.
you know the guys who are goin
to enforce the homeland security act
the patriot act. you know those
acts that remove the constitutional
rights of all americans.

i'll probably be worried about
going into larger american communities
because the war on terrorism
will step up.

bushwhacko doesn't want sodamn insane dead..or else
the CIA is pretty damn incompetant. course, they couldn't
off castro..

gee, ain't it kewl..how much money
is wasted on the CIA and they
can't even kill a couple of despotic
rulers.

sad..sad waste of american tax dollars
on those MIB's..dontcha think?

anyhow, click on my name to visit the BBC4's production
between iraq and a hard place.
learn how if you spent 26 million dollars
a day, since the birth of christ, you would not equal the
amount of money spent by the usa on defense, since
world war 2.
i.e. wars, training, invading..
but very little on actual on
defense of america..right..right
like how many times has the usa
been attacked.
26 million dollars a day for 2003 years
folks..on military spending since
ww2..amazing, and we have poverty
stricken americans, homeless ppl.
ppl without medical. ppl dying because
they don't have medical.
ppl who can't afford post secondary
education.
but we can spend the equivilent of
26 million dollars a day since the
birth of christ on war and weapons.

don't that stink, smell bad to you?

click on my name for the bbc4 report

more-than-meets-the-eye
- Wednesday, February 05, 2003 at 20:29:34 (CST)

I wish the Iraqi people well..I just hope Saddam gets his brains shot out. Save yourself a war and assasinate Saddam...
Larry <llawsonmd52@hotmail.com>
- Wednesday, February 05, 2003 at 18:38:43 (CST)

You suck like SADDAN. Convince me?
US ARMY WHO SERVED IN YOUR REGION IN THE 80;s <lindaamckee@alltel.net>
- Wednesday, February 05, 2003 at 17:37:32 (CST)

More-than:

Bla bla bla I am a sattlelight photo expert yada yada yada CAR LOCK scared oooo
da ta da yada yada.

CAR LOCK says:

Hay More-than! After the US goes it alone, and flattens
Saddams sorry ass to the Moon, sets up a new
government, and has diplomatic relations with the
post Saddam Iraq; what board will you go to post your crap?

CAR LOCK
- Wednesday, February 05, 2003 at 15:34:03 (CST)

Alien says:

Bla bla bla I will take over yada yada yada bla bla you
time has come ta da ta da USA doing bad things yada yada

CAR LOCK says:

Bring it on you little stick prick. We will fry and eat
you and your other little spinless smelly frends.

CAR LOCK says:

BOMB SDADDAM!

CAR LOCK
Not mutch, band width - Wednesday, February 05, 2003 at 15:17:31 (CST)

you should be able to get to the video
of satellite surveillence by clicking on my name.
you may need to download this media player to view the video
http://www.divx.com/divx the one on the left.
the link to gunship-video is
http://windward.nodalpoint.net/doc/media/gunship_video_divx.avi

intelligent caring ppl will most likely
be shocked as individuals fleeing
for thier lives are picked off by
bombs.
the rednecks will probably sit
in their chairs making bombing noises and
laughing.

but, i now ask, if a video like
this can be shot from a satellite. why
did powell not present larger/clearer
photos of the details he was presenting?

i also wonder when powell's satellite
photos were taken. we've seen old
info trotted out, to convince
us bushwhacko and de boys are
justified in wanting to bomb iraq.

i also have an online link to sodamn insane's recent interview
by a former british member of parliament.
i'll dig it out and post it later.

this rush to kill innocent ppl
requires thought and discretion.
especially when one is aware
to of the strong links of the
bush admin to corporate oil
interests.

one has to wonder..just who is
gonna get payback..and why

oh..and carlock..thank you for curtailing
your urge to waste bandwith.

we are all entitled to our opinions. but
you lose credibility when you try to bury
info you personally disagree with.

more-than-meets-the-eye
- Wednesday, February 05, 2003 at 15:17:29 (CST)

A message to The human of the Planet Earth: It's the time I shall claim the earth. With all the ego you indulged, I will melt it into drips of caramel. It's the time when your civilization must come to an end. I am the most powerful life form, most advanced in technology. I will over take this beautiful planet earth! Since I am more powerful, I can do anything--cheating, bombing, killing or even destroying the so called, homo sapiens. Don't stupidly wait for the american jewish hero as viewed in your kindergarten tales of the "ID4". It seems the Big Boss has the right to do anything to the mankind, and so do I! Your greatest arrogance had just been destroyed in countless pieces in Texas by my "sneezing". Oh, It was an accident that I sneezed too strongly. Now it's time for the bigger to overtake the helpless. Like the Jews that overtook the land of the Phelestine, like the Big BUllSHit threatening Iraqis and Koreans. If the human beings feel it is justified for the better to do what they want, then it' time for the best to resurface this planet earth!
From: Human Called Me "Alien".
Alien
- Wednesday, February 05, 2003 at 14:32:04 (CST)

More-than says:

BLa bla bla da ta da red necks do do da I am an expert
at photos yada yada I am right all the time de de do
yada yada yada.

Anton says:

Bla bla bla bla bla hug a tree bla bla doge the draft
yada yada yada fake fake bla bla bla bla bla.

CAR LOCK says

It is time to

BOMB SADDAM!

CAR LOCK
Not, Much bandwidth this time - Wednesday, February 05, 2003 at 13:10:14 (CST)

Thanks ... more-meets-the-eye !
Anton
Holland - Wednesday, February 05, 2003 at 13:05:40 (CST)

Anton:

So the pictures are fake?

The intercepted communications are fake?

Let me guess Anton, the war heads found, the nuclear
documents stashed in the Iraqui scientist home, the VX
gas that Iraq claims it distroyed but can not say
when or where, Blix's statements, Powell's statements are all made up.

Right?

Let me guess Anton the Iraqi missle fule factory, the UN
resolution 1221, the need for Iraq to comply is all just
fake.

Right?

Hay people please visit

http://www.state.gov/secretary/rm/2003/17163.htm

You know Anton, way back before WW2, America was told
that Germany had no concentration camps to cook
Jews and others. The German people said "No we do not
have concentration camps." It was believed to be a "fake"
rumor. Unfortunately, Anton both American and Russian
troops made the german citizens visit a few of the
camps. Sadly the Germans were how should I say

WRONG!

Let me guess Anton History is fake.

Right?

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
?????????????????????????????

Frank
Ut, KT - Wednesday, February 05, 2003 at 13:01:21 (CST)

anton, you've rushed to judgement.
the UN security council is still debating
powell's presentation. i have
a url demonstrating the accuracy
of satellite photos in afghanistan.
i'll submit it later today.
now with that being said.
i do hope the redneck amerikans
are watch CSPAN and not CNN for
their news source on this very
important issue.

CSPAN does not offer political pundits
to give you their "expert" opinions.

you are enabled to make your own
informed decision. it has been
very hard for me to keep my personal
bias at bay. some of what powell is
saying is valid, some of it is
desperate hype, that requires
more thought, and further collaberation
of evidence.

there is a problem, but the big
question is the problem worth the
lives of iraqi ppl, or american
troops and their allies?

the russian rep to the council is
speaking great truths as i listen to
his translator as i write this.

turn off CNN and turn on CSPAN
or what ever tv channel in other
countries presents government news
uneditted, without outside commentary.

get honest opinions..not propagandized
diatrab.

more-than-meets-the-eye
- Wednesday, February 05, 2003 at 11:21:43 (CST)

Exactly what I expected: Powell did not produce any evidence.
Just a faked phonecall and some bad quality pictures of vehicles that even can be made in the US.
Anton
Holland - Wednesday, February 05, 2003 at 10:40:51 (CST)

Yesterday Saddam said he does not have de weppons of mass
distruction. So
I guess the US was wrong, and
Saddam is a fun loving happy proud leader of his people.

So no war is necessary. Yippy!

Billy B. Gullible
Say what!, - Wednesday, February 05, 2003 at 09:52:46 (CST)

i'm a jew, and i think that arabs are needed in israel, who else will clean the toilets?
eli <judman1@msn.com>
weymouth , ma. usa - Tuesday, February 04, 2003 at 18:53:35 (CST)

Sadam thinks he's Hitler but the only thing the have in commen is they hate the jews .Obviosly Hitler was smarter
take a bath!!!
freedom, USA - Tuesday, February 04, 2003 at 18:45:32 (CST)

You better get on a camel and get out the USA is swppoing down ,Sadamm is our prey Like freedom said first the indians now you!!!!!!!!!!
the eagle
boston, mass america - Tuesday, February 04, 2003 at 18:41:04 (CST)

not only that, but also I DON'T REALLY KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THIS SITUATION WHATSOEVER! I just like to
pretend I know what's going on so I can yell some rebellious things and get people's attention.
FREEDOM
- Tuesday, February 04, 2003 at 17:28:38 (CST)

The minute I heard about the space shuttle I knew what Iraq's opinion would be. They publicly show happiness when bad things happen to Americans. Is this reaction a normal "human" response to the bad luck and evil brought down upon another human being?
It is an immature, devilish and psychotic response. Does the US publicly praise evil events when they happen to another country? No, they send their prayers and good wishes. So, who is the tyrant? SADDAM!
Stars and Stripes
- Tuesday, February 04, 2003 at 14:50:25 (CST)

America played Cowbows and Indians, Now we're going to play,
Americans and Iraqis.

Americans exterminated over 21 million Indians with OLD
fashioned weapons.

With MODERN weapons, Iraq's 21 millon
will be noting but blood stains of the sand.

Next up, the extermantion of North Korea, and Iran.

B-52's are about to show the world how American can destroy ANY DAMN COUNTY WE FELL LIKE.
AND THERE AINT NOTHING ANYONE CAN DO ABOUT IT.

FREEDOM
- Tuesday, February 04, 2003 at 01:21:23 (CST)

The time has come to stop fooling around.....Saddam isn't fooling anyone
gee_orge <gee_orge@hotmail.com>
Arizona USA - Monday, February 03, 2003 at 21:13:13 (CST)

Haleluhja ! G.W.Bush, God`s only son is saving the world.

God blast America...
Anton
The Netherlands - Monday, February 03, 2003 at 17:22:06 (CST)

Americans don't care about Iraq's oil.

We'd have it by now if that's what we wanted. In case you forgot, there was already a Gulf War.

It's called terrorism you stupid kids.
facts
- Monday, February 03, 2003 at 16:17:10 (CST)

After the fireworks start you pro Iraqi sympathizers can stick your cut, copy and paste articles up your ass.
"The Americans are Coming!"

The Americans
- Monday, February 03, 2003 at 15:55:37 (CST)

PUSH PUSH THAT APE BUSH BACK INTO THE BUSH,,,,!!
Anton
The Netherlands - Monday, February 03, 2003 at 15:30:56 (CST)

SADDAMS DAYS ARE NUMBERED BYE BYE TERRORISTS
EVIL <IS>
SADDAM, - Monday, February 03, 2003 at 11:27:36 (CST)

Come on people, you`re expecting too much from the
Amerikkkan Public. These people learn to pray under their bloodstained flag
in pre-school. There is no place in the world where mass indoctrination is practiced
so openly, so heinously; yet it is widely and gleefully accepted.
There is no way of ever convincing them.
The only hope we have is that they suffocate from what
they spit at the world before
Bush and his cronies go too far.

ProbablyATerrorist
- Monday, February 03, 2003 at 09:59:05 (CST)

Saddam has made his choice, since he has refused to
give us all his countries OIL;
The U.S. will bomb his country, kill it's old men, women, children, babies, hospitals, and decimate it's
population.

Give us your OIL Saddam, or your people will die, under the
Bombs of FREEDOM
FREEDOM
- Monday, February 03, 2003 at 09:22:48 (CST)

You fools should overthrow Sadam he is your enemy .They fiil your minds with lies that we want oil .all we want is piece Sadam has spent 15 million on a nucleor program while you poeple suffer .
the sniper <jud_oshea@msn.com>
Mass America - Sunday, February 02, 2003 at 21:15:45 (CST)

Was the sept.11 attack not enough to teach the american busy-body a lesson?

I`m sorry for the victims , but the US asks for it.

Anton
Netherlands - Sunday, February 02, 2003 at 12:34:06 (CST)

i hope we find a peaceful way of getting rid of saddam,no one wants to hurt any iraqis. after hes gone, your people will have a brighter future to look forward to.
matt <rathruniqe@aol.com>
new york, ny usa - Sunday, February 02, 2003 at 07:35:27 (CST)

The USA should just bomb all of Iraq and just end this and kill all towel heads followers.
mike <USABoston@attbi.com>
Boston, Mass usa - Sunday, February 02, 2003 at 00:13:26 (CST)

t r u t h o u t | 01.31

Marc Ash | Bush and Powell Will Lose the Diplomatic Game
http://www.truthout.org/docs_02/013103A.ma.game.htm

U.S. Fails to Sway U.N. Council on Iraq
http://www.truthout.org/docs_02/013103B.us.fails.htm

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Blair: North Korea is Next
http://www.truthout.org/docs_02/013103E.blair.kor.nxt.htm

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Forget Your Problems, We're Preparing for a War
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t r u t h o u t | 01.30

William Rivers Pitt | All He Left Unsaid
http://www.truthout.org/docs_02/013003A.wrp.unsaid.htm

Norman Schwarzkopf Wants to Give Peace a Chance
http://www.truthout.org/docs_02/013003B.norm.peace.htm

NEWSWEEK Poll: Wait for War
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Maureen Dowd | The Empire Strikes First
http://www.truthout.org/docs_02/013003D.dowd.empire.htm

U.S. Had Key Role in Iraq Buildup Trade in Chemical Arms Allowed
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http://www.truthout.org/docs_02/013003E.us.role.irq.htm

Richard Butler: U.S. Guilty of 'Double Standards' on Iraq
http://www.truthout.org/docs_02/013003F.butler.crit.us.htm

41 Nobel Laureates Sign Against a War Without International Support
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t r u t h o u t | 01.29

Democrats Confront Bush on Rush to War
http://www.truthout.org/docs_02/012903A.dems.no.rush.htm

Iraq Largely Cooperating With Inspectors, UN Security Council Hears
http://www.truthout.org/docs_02/012903B.irq.jan27.htm

Sept. 11 Commission Wants to Talk to Top Bush Administration Officials
http://www.truthout.org/docs_02/012903C.911.ask.high.htm

Canada Sides With France, Germany Over Iraq
http://www.truthout.org/docs_02/012903D.ca.fr.gr.htm

Turkish Leader: Bush Could Destroy UN With Attack on Iraq
http://www.truthout.org/docs_02/012903E.turk.dist.un.htm

John Cory | War Remembered
http://www.truthout.org/docs_02/012903F.cory.remembered.htm

Scott Galindez | A Letter to Mr. Bush Tell George He is Un-Patriotic
http://www.truthout.org/docs_02/012903G.sg.dg.un-pat.htm

Markets Plunge on War Fears, Dow below 8,000
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John Cory | The Problem is Peace - War is the Solution
http://www.truthout.org/docs_02/012803A.cory.peace.htm

US Will Hurl 800 Cruise Missiles at Baghdad
http://www.truthout.org/docs_02/012803B.shock.awe.htm

Haroon Siddiqui | World Rebels Against America
http://www.truthout.org/docs_02/012803C.world.rebels.htm

In Britain, War Concern Grows Into Resentment of U.S. Power
http://www.truthout.org/docs_02/012803D.uk.resentment.htm

US Librarians See 'Big Brother' in Monitoring of Library Patrons Under
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Blair: Iraq Inspectors Should Get Time
http://www.truthout.org/docs_02/012803F.blair.more.time.htm

Terry M. Neal | Racial Politics Emerging as Major Issue for Bush
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t r u t h o u t | 01.27

The World Wants 'More Time'
http://www.truthout.org/docs_02/012703A.more.time.htm

Prepare for War With Iraq, Bush to Tell America
http://www.truthout.org/docs_02/012703C.prepare.sotu.htm

U.S. Weighs Tactical Nuclear Strike on Iraq
http://www.truthout.org/docs_02/012703B.us.nuke.htm

Opposition to War Growing in Congress Too
http://www.truthout.org/docs_02/012703D.opp.hill.htm

At Swiss Summit US Finds Old Friends Cold and Uneasy
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Heather Wokusch | Destroying the Village to Save Weapons Manufacturers
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t r u t h o u t | 01.26

Pentagon Eyes Mass Graves Option
http://www.truthout.org/docs_02/012603A.mass.graves.htm

Head of Atomic Energy Agency: Iraq Cooperation; `Quite Satisfactory'
http://www.truthout.org/docs_02/012603B.iaea.B.htm

White House Will Agree to More Time for Inspections
http://www.truthout.org/docs_02/012603C.more.time.htm

U.S. Coalition for War Has Few Partners, Troop Pledges
http://www.truthout.org/docs_02/012603D.few.partners.htm

Senate Blocks Funding for Pentagon Database
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Stocks Dive on Worries About Iraq and Corporate Earnings
http://www.truthout.org/docs_02/012603F.stocks.dive.htm

Bush the Cowboy Leaves Europe Cold
http://www.truthout.org/docs_02/012603G.bush.cowboy.htm

Mary McGrory | 'A River of Peaceful People'
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Kerry: "Mr. President, Do Not Rush To War"
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Report: Bush Warns Joint Chiefs Against Treason
http://www.truthout.org/docs_02/012503B.bush.treason.htm

Putin Calls Bush, Sides with France and Germany in Resisting War
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Key Iraqi Evidance Questioned, Could Undermine Administration's
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Iraq's Neighbors Meet in Turkey on Averting a War
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Bush Plan Would Link Medicare Drug Benefit to Managed Care
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Anti-War Movement Grows Louder, Stronger
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t r u t h o u t | 01.24

William Rivers Pitt | Don't Do It, George
http://www.truthout.org/docs_02/012403A.wrp.dont.htm

French and German Leaders Jointly Oppose Iraqi War Moves
http://www.truthout.org/docs_02/012403B.fr.gr.joint.htm

U.S. Set to Demand That Allies Agree Iraq Is Defying U.N.
http://www.truthout.org/docs_02/012403C.us.demand.htm

NATO Rebuffs U.S. in Debate Over Aid for a War With Iraq
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Rumsfeld Apologizes to Vietnam Veterans
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William Pfaff | War with Iraq? The UN is the Way to Go
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Bush Plan Could Take Much of the Wild Out of Wilderness
http://www.truthout.org/docs_02/012403G.wild.out.htm

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Marc Ash | Standing on the Dead
http://www.truthout.org/docs_02/012303A.ma.dead.htm

Senator Edward M. Kennedy: US; "Adopting a Chip-on-the-Shoulder Foreign
Policy"
http://www.truthout.org/docs_02/012303B.kennedy.chip.htm

Bush Fumes Over Allies' Iraq Stance
http://www.truthout.org/docs_02/012303C.bush.fumes.htm

US Poll: 70% Say 'Give Inspections More Time'
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European Leaders Hear Anti-War Cry --and Listen
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Aid to Jobless Devastating State Finances
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In an Iraq War, Washington is Likely to Once Again Muzzle the News
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t r u t h o u t| 01.22

France Steadfast, Rallies UN Against War
http://www.truthout.org/docs_02/012203A.fr.stdfst.htm

Bush, Blair Acting Alone Accelerate Preparations for Military Assault
http://www.truthout.org/docs_02/012203B.us.uk.acclet.htm

Strains Over Iraq at UN, as US Demands Action From Baghdad
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UK Poll: Support for War Falls to New Low
http://www.truthout.org/docs_02/012203D.uk.poll.htm

Iraq Accepting a U.S. Demand
http://www.truthout.org/docs_02/012203E.irq.accpt.htm

Coretta Scott King Urges Bush to Shun War
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William Rivers Pitt | There's Something Happening Here
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White House Pushing UN Where it Does Not Want to Go
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Poll Suggests Americans in No Hurry For Military Action Against Iraq
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- Saturday, February 01, 2003 at 22:28:10 (CST)

If You're Happy And You Know It, Bomb Iraq
by Deck Deckert
December 16, 2002

If we cannot find Osama, bomb Iraq.
If the markets hurt your Mama, bomb Iraq.
If the terrorists are Saudi
And the bank takes back your Audi
And the TV shows are bawdy,
Bomb Iraq.

So begins a song parody that has already raced around the Internet scores of times and which contains more real news than a hundred hours of happy talk chatter by TV anchors, and more wisdom than can be found in a thousand hours of babbling by network talking heads.

If the media were "liberal," or even honest, there would have been countless stories in this past year about the failure of the war on Afghanistan to do anything more than deliver slaughter, disease and poverty to some of the most poverty stricken people on the planet. There would have been reports on the failure to deliver George Bush's promise to capture Osama bin Laden.

Instead, the boy emperor diverted attention by promising to bring about "regime change" in Iraq and the media forgot everything else. There was, of course, no discussion about the fact that a new war on Iraq would be unconstitutional, no matter the craven vote by Congress to leave it all up to George, and immoral.

The media's failure to act as more than a 'stenographer to power' is its own shame. But the Democrats are equal partners The media pays no attention to the powerless, but it does pay attention to other centers of power. If the Democrats had had guts enough to stand up to Bush, to denounce his insane agenda, the media would have dutifully reported it and there could have been a real national debate about whether we truly want to become an aggressor nation.

If the corporate scandals growin', bomb Iraq.
And your ties to them are showin', bomb Iraq.....
If the talk has turned to Harken, bomb Iraq.....
Are they checking Halliburton? bomb Iraq....

The unknown parodist -- like many populist satire, the original source is lost and new verses keep appearing -- is paying attention to subjects the mainstream corporate media has already conveniently forgotten. The Harken and Halliburton scandals are yesterday's news. Who cares if the president and vice president are up to their cologned armpits in the stench of scandal. They only stole money and betrayed their shareholders, they didn't get a blow job. And again, the Democrats share equal blame, perhaps because they serve the same masters, the corporate powers who stand to gain wealth beyond the dreams of avarice as they supply the resources for war. It's not conscience that makes cowards of our leaders, it's greed, their desire for the corporate bribes, aka 'campaign contributions' that keep them in power.

Even if we have no allies, bomb Iraq....

The Bush administration's plans to conquer the world by any means necessary, including preemptive strikes, perhaps with nuclear weapons, is occasionally mentioned in the corporate media, usually with approval. Oh, now and then a pundit may ponderously aver that position carries some risks.

Indeed, perhaps of Armageddon.

It is a policy of madness and immorality. And it is essentially ignored in the media. It doesn't have the pizzazz of a dead princess, can't compete with 'reality TV.'

But once again the soulless Democrats stand silent.

While the globe is slowly warming, bomb Iraq.
Yay! the clouds of war are storming, bomb Iraq.
If the ozone hole is growing
Some things we prefer not knowing
(Though our ignorance is showing), Bomb Iraq.

Global warming is no longer an obscure theory, it is fact that is accepted by every scientist who isn't a corporate shill. The results of global warming are uncertain, but they will be catastrophic. One perverse and ironic possibility is that it will usher in a new ice age, acutely chilling much of North America and Europe.

But with extraordinarily willful blindness, the Bush administration moves resolutely backward, promising not less, but more of the polluting gasses that fuel global warming.

And the Democrats? Well, they are feeding at the same corporate swill trough, and corporations worry only about the next quarterly report on profits, not the world a decade from now. So once again, they sit in shameful silence.

The song parody piles on verses about the world that our leaders and the media, to the extent that they are even separate, don't want us to ponder. The falling stock market, the stolen pension funds, loss of jobs, Bush family troubles in Florida, drilling in the Arctic, the increasing surveillance by Big Brother Bush.

And, of course, the fact that the war on Iraq is in the end, primarily about oil.

Iraq has it, we want it, so we're going to take it, no matter how many Iraqi babies we have to kill.

2003 is going to be a long year.

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The Biggest Blackest Cunt On the Internet
www.americanstateterrorism.com, www.crushamerica.com www.thecure.com - Saturday, February 01, 2003 at 22:24:00 (CST)

personally, i don't think it was
god's vengence to kill the astronauts.
in either of the shuttle tragedies.

the first one involved civillians.
the gov doesn'tlike to involve civillians
in anything. poof the challenger blows up.
gov decrees..no more civillians going for space
rides no matter how qualified/interested.

this one..well, i find it interesting
that the head of nasa/or finances for nasa
was recently fired,.he wanted to expand the
budget for nasa programs. he was replaced
with a navy bean counter.

lots of ppl watching, lotsa hype. even
got a visiting isreali on board this time.
poof there goes the shuttle.
and now the news is sayin that this
will possibly effect the space program again.

there are tons of shuttle flights
annually. but, why is it that
the ones that are the most high
profile go ka blooee.

why did it take nasa and/or the president almost
six hours to make any sort of a statement?

how difficult would it be to say.
we lost contact with the shuttle. the astronauts are
missing and presumed dead.

nope..i don't trust government
one little bit..

too much wagging the dog going on
in the last couple of days.
like why was it important to watch over 5 hours
of helicopters chasing a postal van in florida
while bush was meeting with world leaders.
where were the political pundits
on that event..nope we get to watch
idiots running out to a van that slowly drives
a circuitous route in florida.
is the news day that boring, uneventful.

why don't we hear about the
anti war protesters who are being pepper sprayed?

right..we get to watch hijacked postal vans.

more-than-meets-the-eye
- Saturday, February 01, 2003 at 21:52:50 (CST)

NASA:
Need
Another
Seven
Astronauts (again!)
Ha ha ha
Iraqis said it was God's vengance to kill those Seppos and the Jew
But I don't believe in God, nice thought though! :)
http://www.americanstateterrorism.com <http://www.americanstateterrorism.com>
http://www.americanstateterrorism.com, http://www.americanstateterrorism.com http://www.americanstateterrorism.com - Saturday, February 01, 2003 at 20:31:23 (CST)

Well Carlock sure is special.
He's probably 50 and still lives with his mom, Working as a paperboy.
Maybe a spanking would do him good, nah he would enjoy it to much.
Johnny
- Saturday, February 01, 2003 at 16:15:04 (CST)

while it is a tragedy that the shuttle and crew
has been lost. is there no other news available?

are the powers that be using this
sad moment as a wag the dog.

what about blair and baby bush's war council in the
white house yesterday? does bush not want to take any
hard questions?

i do not trust the bilderbergers
and to what depth's they will go
to hide their agenda.

more-than-meets-the-eye
- Saturday, February 01, 2003 at 12:49:28 (CST)